Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[J Alynn]

My thoughts too. That and the fact that I like to go camping and exploring where there is nothing around for Loooong way. There certainly won't be any charging stations out there. The other problem is crowds. There is a Tesla Supercharging station not too far from my house. The lines on most days are long. Holiday weekends? It went out the parking lot and down the street. No thanks.

What kind of condescending remark is that? The "smarter people", i.e. the ones who went BEV? Why do you have to make it sound like you are superior just because of your decision? Why can't you just accept the fact that everyone is allowed to have THEIR reasons, and not be guilt tripped or mocked because they are not part of your group think or don't have the brain capacity to make such complicated decisisons.

I will keep saying it......it's the non-acceptance by the non-BEV crowd that can ruin a place like this.

It wasn’t intended to be condescending. It was a compliment to the folks on here who continually educate those of us learning about EV’s. A lot of people here with a lot of EV experience give a lot of their time (and I regularly thank them for it). It helps us ALL learn. It was not intended to insult and I’m confused why it was taken that way-but my apologies to you. Many of us have moved toward full BEV because of their time, and knowledge and willingness to share and teach. It was not intended to be an insult in any way. Sorry I wasn’t clearer with the point I was trying to make. And again, thanks to all the smarter people (than ME) who have helped ME see MY turning point as well as others who have publicly thanked those same people.

 

[J Alynn]

Good for you. Hope the smarter people on here were part of your turning point. They convinced me as well

@JAngley -my apologies to you if my intent was not clear and I upset you. As others commented that it was condescending I want to be clear it wasn’t intended to be that way. As already noted in other response, it was intended to refer to the EV owners who are very giving of their time helping to educate all of us. Again-apologies since others misunderstood my intent on the response to your post. Happy Friday!

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

My thoughts too. That and the fact that I like to go camping and exploring where there is nothing around for Loooong way. There certainly won't be any charging stations out there. The other problem is crowds. There is a Tesla Supercharging station not too far from my house. The lines on most days are long. Holiday weekends? It went out the parking lot and down the street. No thanks.

What kind of condescending remark is that? The "smarter people", i.e. the ones who went BEV? Why do you have to make it sound like you are superior just because of your decision? Why can't you just accept the fact that everyone is allowed to have THEIR reasons, and not be guilt tripped or mocked because they are not part of your group think or don't have the brain capacity to make such complicated decisisons.

I will keep saying it......it's the non-acceptance by the non-BEV crowd that can ruin a place like this.

I just did a big loop today as I played hookie on my birthday. I don’t see a pure EV being the right option for me in rural Montana. I made one stop to top off the tank in Wisdom to be safe, and was back on the road. I’m just too nervous about the lack of infrastructure in my area to go full EV.

 

[cyure]

I just did a big loop today as I played hookie on my birthday. I don’t see a pure EV being the right option for me in rural Montana. I made one stop to top off the tank in Wisdom to be safe, and was back on the road. I’m just too nervous about the lack of infrastructure in my area to go full EV.

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Happy birthday!! Pretty pictures. Everyone has to make their own calculation as to what works best for them. I’m glad the Harvester will work for you and I love that little combine graphic on the Harvester door!

 

[bwdavis7]

I can see where range anxiety would set in and likely would have added time to recharge if pure EV. But it wouldn't have been impossible, right?? Potential charging stations shown on the map (Possibly one supercharger). Charging stations aren't advertised on billboards like gas and diesel and seems you have to be somewhat savvy to search them out. I didn't realize there were any charging stations in my home town until I researched yet gas stations are less than a couple miles apart at most. Hopefully, the charging infrastructure will change dramatically in the next few years and that will be less of a determining factor for all.

Never been to Montana but looks to be a worthy road trip! Thanks for posting the photos.

Not that long ago, I set out through the Painted Desert and the Petrified Forest without topping off (gasoline-ICE) and due to that poor planning I was worried that I was going to run out of gas before getting back to the highway. Talk about range anxiety!

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I can see where range anxiety would set in and likely would have added time to recharge if pure EV. But it wouldn't have been impossible, right?? Potential charging stations shown on the map (Possibly one supercharger). Charging stations aren't advertised on billboards like gas and diesel and seems you have to be somewhat savvy to search them out. I didn't realize there were any charging stations in my home town until I researched yet gas stations are less than a couple miles apart at most. Hopefully, the charging infrastructure will change dramatically in the next few years and that will be less of a determining factor for all.

Never been to Montana but looks to be a worthy road trip! Thanks for posting the photos.

Not that long ago, I set out through the Painted Desert and the Petrified Forest without topping off (gasoline-ICE) and due to that poor planning I was worried that I was going to run out of gas before getting back to the highway. Talk about range anxiety!

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The loop I planned was a little over 350 miles, and started and ended in Missoula. The stop in Darby looks the easiest to access on this map, and is roughly 60 miles into the drive. If I charged there to full, I’d have around 350 miles of range, and about 300 miles left on my trip. So in theory, if I didn’t detour from my route (which I did, and that added 15ish miles to my trip), I’d have around 50 miles of range on a pure Scout EV. With my detour I’d have been closer to 30 miles of range. That’s just too tight for me. Yet again, another example for me where the Harvester with a combined 500ish miles of range is a great solution.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The loop I planned was a little over 350 miles, and started and ended in Missoula. The stop in Darby looks the easiest to access on this map, and is roughly 60 miles into the drive. If I charged there to full, I’d have around 350 miles of range, and about 300 miles left on my trip. So in theory, if I didn’t detour from my route (which I did, and that added 15ish miles to my trip), I’d have around 50 miles of range on a pure Scout EV. With my detour I’d have been closer to 30 miles of range. That’s just too tight for me. Yet again, another example for me where the Harvester with a combined 500ish miles of range is a great solution.

I have recommended to several people to consider a hybrid instead of a BEV. Usually because of range anxiety. In your case, especially with the cold and winds in Montana and Wyoming, a hybrid would likely both meet your needs and better accommodate your particular habits better than a BEV. At least with the existing infrastructure.

That said, I’d do the loop you mentioned in our Lightning (320 miles EPA range) without hesitation. We would probably stop in Darby for lunch and charge during lunch. Then we’d stop at the Tesla charger in Butte for a restroom stop and a quick charge.

 

[J Alynn]

I have recommended to several people to consider a hybrid instead of a BEV. Usually because of range anxiety. In your case, especially with the cold and winds in Montana and Wyoming, a hybrid would likely both meet your needs and better accommodate your particular habits better than a BEV. At least with the existing infrastructure.

That said, I’d do the loop you mentioned in our Lightning (320 miles EPA range) without hesitation. We would probably stop in Darby for lunch and charge during lunch. Then we’d stop at the Tesla charger in Butte for a restroom stop and a quick charge.

I’m hoping when SM has a handful of built-non production units they run these various locations to see what happens. Would be cool if they did a team camp and crawl and a Scout ambassador took a few folks like you for a weekend proving trip to see what sticks and what doesn’t. Would be interesting if they came with a BEV and reasonable solar charger and successfully proved the Scouts work. I’m guessing be new to EV it would still be a hesitation but would be cool to have the SM ambassadors show how to maximize, etc…. Set them up with a small electric cooler, etc.. and have a two day learning adventure. Would be a great experience from the members side as well as for SM to learn from potential buyers. Make the focus be in the more undeveloped/open spaces of the mid and mountain west as well as the southwest.

 

[cyure]

I’m hoping when SM has a handful of built-non production units they run these various locations to see what happens. Would be cool if they did a team camp and crawl and a Scout ambassador took a few folks like you for a weekend proving trip to see what sticks and what doesn’t. Would be interesting if they came with a BEV and reasonable solar charger and successfully proved the Scouts work. I’m guessing be new to EV it would still be a hesitation but would be cool to have the SM ambassadors show how to maximize, etc…. Set them up with a small electric cooler, etc.. and have a two day learning adventure. Would be a great experience from the members side as well as for SM to learn from potential buyers. Make the focus be in the more undeveloped/open spaces of the mid and mountain west as well as the southwest.

Oh oh I wanna go. Honestly I just want someone who has driven EVs before to go with me to Chicago and back. 260 miles round trip. When it’s cold. Do I need to charge? Am I going too fast and going to drain my battery? Etc, etc.

 

[J Alynn]

Oh oh I wanna go. Honestly I just want someone who has driven EVs before to go with me to Chicago and back. 260 miles round trip. When it’s cold. Do I need to charge? Am I going too fast and going to drain my battery? Etc, etc.

I am Popping there will be drive and learn opportunities but I think the camp and crawl should be specific to active members who live in these regions. Getting real life experiences in the vast open areas of the country which doesn’t have developed EV charging infrastructure like E and W coasts would be a give and take learning experience on both sides-I wouldn’t expect it to convert buyers from a harvester but would help then overcome some range anxiety.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Another thing to note:

The infrastructure is going to improve. It’s already much better than it was in 2022 when we bought the Mustang. And by 2028 it will be even better. Especially with the redirection of NEVI funds to redder states for whatever reasons.
Hamilton and Darby are both supposed to get DCFCs installed “soon.”

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

The loop I planned was a little over 350 miles, and started and ended in Missoula. The stop in Darby looks the easiest to access on this map, and is roughly 60 miles into the drive. If I charged there to full, I’d have around 350 miles of range, and about 300 miles left on my trip. So in theory, if I didn’t detour from my route (which I did, and that added 15ish miles to my trip), I’d have around 50 miles of range on a pure Scout EV. With my detour I’d have been closer to 30 miles of range. That’s just too tight for me. Yet again, another example for me where the Harvester with a combined 500ish miles of range is a great solution.

Yours is a good case for Harvester. I spent the bulk of the ‘70’s in Bozeman, and getting stuck somewhere with a dead EV battery would be… not awesome!

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I have recommended to several people to consider a hybrid instead of a BEV. Usually because of range anxiety. In your case, especially with the cold and winds in Montana and Wyoming, a hybrid would likely both meet your needs and better accommodate your particular habits better than a BEV. At least with the existing infrastructure.

That said, I’d do the loop you mentioned in our Lightning (320 miles EPA range) without hesitation. We would probably stop in Darby for lunch and charge during lunch. Then we’d stop at the Tesla charger in Butte for a restroom stop and a quick charge.

But look at the route I took. I never went to Butte. I went from Wise River to Anaconda. Butte would have been considerably out of the way.

 

[JAngley]

@JAngley -my apologies to you if my intent was not clear and I upset you. As others commented that it was condescending I want to be clear it wasn’t intended to be that way. As already noted in other response, it was intended to refer to the EV owners who are very giving of their time helping to educate all of us. Again-apologies since others misunderstood my intent on the response to your post. Happy Friday!

No offense taken! No worries!

 

[N Wilson]

Although, if the airport services small, piston driven planes they may have 100 octane avgas. If your Accord is a turbo, it might like that, but your wallet won't.

Back in the early 2000s, I was renting a house right next to the local small airport. My daily driver was a 1970 Cadillac Calais (472 cid engine without hardened valve seats) and I also had the 1974 AMC Javelin that I still own.

I went to the aiport one day and asked the guy working there if I could put some avgas in the Caddy. He explained that it wouldn't be legal to let me pull the car onto the tarmac and fill up, but he said if I were to come back with gas cans I could get some for my "home built ultralite".

Both of my ultralites ran great on that avgas, but only occasionally due to the price.

I also filled them with 110 octane race fuel on the few occasions I took them to the drag strip for test and tune nights.

 

[LastDayScout]

My thoughts too. That and the fact that I like to go camping and exploring where there is nothing around for Loooong way. There certainly won't be any charging stations out there. The other problem is crowds. There is a Tesla Supercharging station not too far from my house. The lines on most days are long. Holiday weekends? It went out the parking lot and down the street. No thanks.

What kind of condescending remark is that? The "smarter people", i.e. the ones who went BEV? Why do you have to make it sound like you are superior just because of your decision? Why can't you just accept the fact that everyone is allowed to have THEIR reasons, and not be guilt tripped or mocked because they are not part of your group think or don't have the brain capacity to make such complicated decisisons.

I will keep saying it......it's the non-acceptance by the non-BEV crowd that can ruin a place like this.

I’ll throw my 2 cents in. I’m glad that Scout is making a vehicle that you’ll actually consider for your use case. If Scout only offered BEV you may not even be interested. But, the Harvester will possibly bring you on board. So, I think that’s a win for Scout Motors and the Scout Community.

My use case and experience will be best served by the BEV. I have a great charging situation and decent infrastructure anywhere I might drive, so it’s an easy choice for me. If I were going way off the path for days and not near anything, I’d opt for the harvester too. I have driven all over Australia including all the way from Darwin in the north to Adelaide in the south. That was 23 years ago. There was very little to zero infrastructure or gas stations out there back then. I definitely had range anxiety in my straight 6 Ford Falcon wagon. I kept Jerry cans in the back for sure.

As a side benefit to your choice of powertrain you will get to experience the benefits of full EV most of the time. I suspect you’ll love it. But, it sure is nice to know your Scout will be a true go anywhere vehicle with the Harvester. I will stand by my opinion that there is no is and them in the Scout community. BEV and Harvester are all Scouts!

 

[LastDayScout]

I just did a big loop today as I played hookie on my birthday. I don’t see a pure EV being the right option for me in rural Montana. I made one stop to top off the tank in Wisdom to be safe, and was back on the road. I’m just too nervous about the lack of infrastructure in my area to go full EV.

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Good thing Scout gave us all two excellent choices of powertrain.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

But look at the route I took. I never went to Butte. I went from Wise River to Anaconda. Butte would have been considerably out of the way.

Yeah, I hadn’t noticed that. It does look tight enough that a Harvester would make it no problem but a BEV would be more stressful.

 

[bwdavis7]

Good thing Scout gave us all two excellent choices of powertrain.

If it hadn't been for the Harvester option, I probably wouldn't have looked further. I think it will be exciting to see the different experiences folks on this forum have once they have their new Scout, no matter what powertrain.

 

[cyure]

If it hadn't been for the Harvester option, I probably wouldn't have looked further. I think it will be exciting to see the different experiences folks on this forum have once they have their new Scout, no matter what powertrain.

Same, and being on here I realized for my situation and where I live the BEV will work great. I am glad they had the Harvester because if it would have just been a BEV I wouldn’t have looked twice.