I will reiterate, under no circumstances should Scout tarnish its brand via any association with Elon Musk’s companies including StarLink! At minimum allow for a range of service providers for satellite connectivity.
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PLEASE DO NOT DO AN EXCLUSIVE DEAL WITH STARLINK - NO MUSK
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Why would you care if it is Starlink or Kuiper (no others even close to being viable for years and years). The important aspect would be when your out of range of a cell tower you have connectivity. If you stuck or in need of help in the middle of the forest or desert, do you ask your rescuer, what is your political affiliation? No, you’re grateful for the help.
Scout should get the best possible service at the best price. If it cost more than ~$10/month, adoption will be very low.
Scout should get the best possible service at the best price. If it cost more than ~$10/month, adoption will be very low.
It all depends on what satellite communications service can cover the most and work the fastest. So what if it’s Starlink. T Mobile is also starlink, since they are the provider to T Mobile. Personally I think starlink is the most reliable service for Scout.
And plus at the moment he’s no one’s friend. Starting a third party, which has never worked in the US. From Day one of the country’s founding, it was made to be a two party government. NOT THREE!
And plus at the moment he’s no one’s friend. Starting a third party, which has never worked in the US. From Day one of the country’s founding, it was made to be a two party government. NOT THREE!
If starlink was built-in standard I might subscribe. Plenty of others may avoid the vehicle brand for the association.
Plenty of vandalism stories related to Tesla vehicles. I am Ok with wifi only.
Plenty of vandalism stories related to Tesla vehicles. I am Ok with wifi only.
Kuiper might be ready by the time Scout is available, and last I checked their antennas were slightly smaller and better suited (in theory) for this purpose.
Ideally you could change providers and swap out the antenna for another constellation. This might mean paying for the service directly to Kuiper / Starlink, which is a fabulous way to disentangle and avoid paying for a ‘car subscription’ - something which I find somewhat noxious.
Ideally you could change providers and swap out the antenna for another constellation. This might mean paying for the service directly to Kuiper / Starlink, which is a fabulous way to disentangle and avoid paying for a ‘car subscription’ - something which I find somewhat noxious.
I am sure this is not political hate. Yep, absolutely sure.
Please try your best to make this a 50 states vehicle. Every political concession to one side will just annoy and possibly loose potential clients from the other. At most, make political concessions avoidable options. Kind of like putting in vegan leather-what percentage of customers would actually want that over real leather? Personally I like bamboo, but is it a better material, or just something to make a small percentage of customers feel good. I think EV's are a better choice, and recognize it IS what will make this product different - but you are already starting down a road there as well. At least the Harvester provides an option.
Please try your best to make this a 50 states vehicle. Every political concession to one side will just annoy and possibly loose potential clients from the other. At most, make political concessions avoidable options. Kind of like putting in vegan leather-what percentage of customers would actually want that over real leather? Personally I like bamboo, but is it a better material, or just something to make a small percentage of customers feel good. I think EV's are a better choice, and recognize it IS what will make this product different - but you are already starting down a road there as well. At least the Harvester provides an option.
I agree but had to chuckle. Even Bamboo isn’t that ideal. Being in construction and design when Bamboo flooring hit the market everyone raved it was better environmentally-until people researched it and found out what it takes to convert bamboo into flooring and/or cabinets. Lots of chemicals. But again-no different than an EV, it’s the long term benefits. And I agree with Leather-even if @Jamie@ScoutMotors still tries to sell me on Vegan or recycled products
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I had a BMW years ago with their vegan leather. When we traded it in at the Honda dealer they had it listed as real leather on the trade in paperwork. They couldn’t tell the difference. As long as it’s pretty and durable, that’s all I care about.I agree but had to chuckle. Even Bamboo isn’t that ideal. Being in construction and design when Bamboo flooring hit the market everyone raved it was better environmentally-until people researched it and found out what it takes to convert bamboo into flooring and/or cabinets. Lots of chemicals. But again-no different than an EV, it’s the long term benefits. And I agree with Leather-gen if @Jamie@ScoutMotors still tries to sell me on Vegan or recycled products
Give us a break! Put in what works the best not what is politically convenient.
I think we all have lines we won’t cross and can respect those lines of others without trying to minimize them as just “political”. And regardless of your opinion of the guy in charge of starlink, I think we can all understand why someone would not want their hard earned dollars to go towards enriching him. All the OP is asking for is an option, which I think is something we all tend to like in this forum. In addition I think it’s always a good idea to have options when third parties are involved. For me, it would make having a satellite antenna much more attractive if I knew it wasn’t limited to a single vendor.
I agree. I won’t take advantage of satellite and mine is not a political reaction. I’d just rather see a good company grow than supporting the wealthiest man in the world while he spends his money manipulating governments. That’s a person I don’t trust and certainly don’t want him getting my money if their are other alternatives
Actually, I agree. He’s got enough money. The option to use another satellite provider would be appreciated. My personal opinions/ethics definitely guide my purchasing (as is practical) and that’s dealbreaker territory.
I liked that Scout seems like an apolitical bridge-builder, but blech. Any association with Starlink is a hard pass.
They just need to put a weatherproof POE+ Ethernet port on the roof and folks can install whatever they want.
Having one in the frunk would also be nice for people that prefer ground setups.
Having one in the frunk would also be nice for people that prefer ground setups.
I’m not in the business of enriching afrikaners like musk. If I was I would by a swasticar
I don't want politics in my car. If you're going to put wideband satcom on the vehicle for ubiquitous connectivity, pick the one that performs the best in the most scenarios and conditions. I don't give a flying **** if it's Starlink or Kuiper or a tin can with a 3,000 mile string, as long as it works, it's affordable, and I don't need a giant bubble on top of my vehicle to use it.
That said...I probably wouldn't select such a thing of it was an option. Leave that for RVs and overland trailers.
If you hate Starlink because it's Elon or hate Kuiper because it's Bezos - keep that to yourself. I don't want to hear it.
That said...I probably wouldn't select such a thing of it was an option. Leave that for RVs and overland trailers.
If you hate Starlink because it's Elon or hate Kuiper because it's Bezos - keep that to yourself. I don't want to hear it.
No Musk - would you like them to get rid of NACS and the ability to use the Tesla charging network as well?
Having a NACS port doesn’t lock you in to using anything from Tesla. It gives you choices, which is the whole point of the request.
You are not locked in, but I think companies are paying Tesla for the ability for their cars to use the Tesla network - or at least the google articles I saw implied that. Something like Tesla making millions off of partnerships with various manufacturers (Ford was mentioned in particular - but saw quite a few other complies had "partnerships" with Tesla (including VW). Just having a NACS plug does not mean you can use their chargers.
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