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[SpaceEVDriver]

But Space as we have discussed the 35 wheel and tire combo is so cool!!! Again, pout pout.

Nobody said you can’t get the 35s. It would just be nice if the manufacturer did the work to find a set of wheels and tires that they also offer that provide a maximum-ish range. My guess (based on other wheel/tire combos on other vehicles) is that the 35s will cut your range by ~20% compared with a simple, boring, set of wheels and tires that are designed to minimize rolling resistance and rotational inertia.

 

[dreamweaver]

Nobody said you can’t get the 35s. It would just be nice if the manufacturer did the work to find a set of wheels and tires that they also offer that provide a maximum-ish range. My guess (based on other wheel/tire combos on other vehicles) is that the 35s will cut your range by ~20% compared with a simple, boring, set of wheels and tires that are designed to minimize rolling resistance and rotational inertia.

Let's hope the "maximum-ish range" wheels aren't to boring. I am all for the best range I can get. But, not at the cost of ugly.

 

[cyure]

Nobody said you can’t get the 35s. It would just be nice if the manufacturer did the work to find a set of wheels and tires that they also offer that provide a maximum-ish range. My guess (based on other wheel/tire combos on other vehicles) is that the 35s will cut your range by ~20% compared with a simple, boring, set of wheels and tires that are designed to minimize rolling resistance and rotational inertia.

Wheels are tires are like the accessories for an outfit. You have to have great shoes and a fabulous bag.

 

[Chavannigans]

Let's hope the "maximum-ish range" wheels aren't to boring. I am all for the best range I can get. But, not at the cost of ugly.

Honestly some old school wheels with solid hubcaps would be true to the old Scout design.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with for factory wheel options.

I’m hoping for factory beadlocks or beadlock convertible wheels.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Wheels are tires are like the accessories for an outfit. You have to have great shoes and a fabulous bag.

I don’t understand form over function.
I do understand that people respond to it, though.
At conferences where I have to wear a suit, I usually remove my fancy shoes as soon as I can and put on my comfortable shoes. I can’t walk 50 miles in dress shoes, but I can walk 50 miles in Vibram 5-Fingers. So after I’m done with my talks and workshops, I spend the rest of the conference in my 3-piece suit with VFFs.




I hope you can find the wheels and tires that work best for you!

 

[dreamweaver]

Wheels are tires are like the accessories for an outfit. You have to have great shoes and a fabulous bag.

If I had as many sets of wheels & tires as my wife has shoes & handbags I would need another 3 car garage.

 

[cyure]

If I had as many sets of wheels & tires as my wife has shoes & handbags I would need another 3 car garage.

Oh but it would be so awesome if you could change wheels and tires as easily as you change your shoes!

 

[dreamweaver]

Oh but it would be so awesome if you could change wheels and tires as easily as you change your shoes!

Chic to 11!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Oh but it would be so awesome if you could change wheels and tires as easily as you change your shoes!

I do! Well, it takes a few extra minutes, but I usually run with a set of all-seasons for the non-snow months and then a set of snow&ice for the snow season. I haven’t bothered since we got the EVs, though. The winter performance of the tires isn’t as good as snow&ice, but the traction control of the vehicle makes up for it…mostly.

 

[Chavannigans]

Since you folks have said you dont need to regear an EV when you go from 33" tires to 37"s, having two sets might actually be the route I go since there wont be a major drop in performance. I could just run around with efficient ones on road trips and toss on the big meats to cruise the local mall parking lot and offroad park.


Something I am still struggling to wrap my head around because my past ICE vehicles needed a LOT of work to swap tire sizes.

 

[dreamweaver]

Since you folks have said you dont need to regear an EV when you go from 33" tires to 37"s, having two sets might actually be the route I go since there wont be a major drop in performance. I could just run around with efficient ones on road trips and toss on the big meats to cruise the local mall parking lot and offroad park.


Something I am still struggling to wrap my head around because my past ICE vehicles needed a LOT of work to swap tire sizes.

Really depends on your home setup. Currently if I decided to change a set I would be doing each corner separately, this take a while. I have a couple of neighbors that have these cool portable frame lifts. Slide the unit under the vehicle and it lifts the entire vehicle. Pretty slick if your going to do this a lot.

 

[Chavannigans]

Really depends on your home setup. Currently if I decided to change a set I would be doing each corner separately, this take a while. I have a couple of neighbors that have these cool portable frame lifts. Slide the unit under the vehicle and it lifts the entire vehicle. Pretty slick if your going to do this a lot.

I meant that with ICE vehicles you would also need to either swap the axles or differential gears when going up in size from a 33" tire to a 37". its not just a simple tire swap.

Even if I could install 37"s without rubbing my GX470 would never hit 5th gear and it would get horrible fuel mileage since it is geared for 31" tires from the factory.


Many of my past Toyotas had 3.73 or 4.10 factory gears that I needed to swap with 4.88 or 5.29 gears to run 35"s or 37" tires.

That corrects the final drive ratio and helps the engine work less hard to spin the larger tires and corrects the speedometer.

If I were running 37"s in a vehicle set up for those tires, and wanted to drop down to 33" the engine would be screaming down the highway with 5.29 gears.

So swapping 33" factory tires to 37" tires with no other modifications other than pulling some fender liners on a Scout is WAY easier and cheaper than traditional ICE vehicles.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I think you’ll also need Scout to provide a way to update the speedometer and odometer to get accurate speed and distance. I believe Rivian offers a tire setting. I don’t know if it’s limited to the tires they sell on the stock vehicle or if you can enter an arbitrary 3-figure tire size (275 70 18). Ford doesn’t offer this in its UI, but it’s possible to update using an OBD2 adapter and some knowledge of the system—not a great UX, IMO.

 

[cyure]

I think you’ll also need Scout to provide a way to update the speedometer and odometer to get accurate speed and distance. I believe Rivian offers a tire setting. I don’t know if it’s limited to the tires they sell on the stock vehicle or if you can enter an arbitrary 3-figure tire size (275 70 18). Ford doesn’t offer this in its UI, but it’s possible to update using an OBD2 adapter and some knowledge of the system—not a great UX, IMO.

Yep. I put 33s on my Wrangler and I just know I’m actually going 3 miles an hour faster than the spedo says.

 

[Chavannigans]

I think you’ll also need Scout to provide a way to update the speedometer and odometer to get accurate speed and distance. I believe Rivian offers a tire setting. I don’t know if it’s limited to the tires they sell on the stock vehicle or if you can enter an arbitrary 3-figure tire size (275 70 18). Ford doesn’t offer this in its UI, but it’s possible to update using an OBD2 adapter and some knowledge of the system—not a great UX, IMO.

To be fair, Forscan is pretty amazing and unlocks a LOT of stuff if you can get your hands on one of those setups.

When I was looking at Fords I was blown away with how much control you get over the vehicle using it.

But I agree. I hope Scout can incorporate a Tires setting in Maintenance that allows you to update it when you install a new set including the sizes. Even better if they can store multiple sets so you can still get tire rotation reminders and stuff.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

To be fair, Forscan is pretty amazing and unlocks a LOT of stuff if you can get your hands on one of those setups.

When I was looking at Fords I was blown away with how much control you get over the vehicle using it.

But I agree. I hope Scout can incorporate a Tires setting in Maintenance that allows you to update it when you install a new set including the sizes. Even better if they can store multiple sets so you can still get tire rotation reminders and stuff.

I agree that Forscan is great. I use it all the time. I just wish some things were exposed in the vehicle's UI instead of being hidden. I wouldn't give up Forscan, though. And I hope Scout does include all OBD2 interface for more user adjustments.

 

[N Wilson]

I think you’ll also need Scout to provide a way to update the speedometer and odometer to get accurate speed and distance. I believe Rivian offers a tire setting. I don’t know if it’s limited to the tires they sell on the stock vehicle or if you can enter an arbitrary 3-figure tire size (275 70 18). Ford doesn’t offer this in its UI, but it’s possible to update using an OBD2 adapter and some knowledge of the system—not a great UX, IMO.

^^^This

I think @R1TVT mentioned this feature that Rivian has in another thread. I seem to recall that you just enter the new tire size and it corrects for the difference so the speedo is right.

 

[dreamweaver]

I meant that with ICE vehicles you would also need to either swap the axles or differential gears when going up in size from a 33" tire to a 37". its not just a simple tire swap.

Even if I could install 37"s without rubbing my GX470 would never hit 5th gear and it would get horrible fuel mileage since it is geared for 31" tires from the factory.


Many of my past Toyotas had 3.73 or 4.10 factory gears that I needed to swap with 4.88 or 5.29 gears to run 35"s or 37" tires.

That corrects the final drive ratio and helps the engine work less hard to spin the larger tires and corrects the speedometer.

If I were running 37"s in a vehicle set up for those tires, and wanted to drop down to 33" the engine would be screaming down the highway with 5.29 gears.

So swapping 33" factory tires to 37" tires with no other modifications other than pulling some fender liners on a Scout is WAY easier and cheaper than traditional ICE vehicles.

Yes that is definitely more work. I was not looking at that end of the swap.

 

[Horsefarmer]

Battery capacity specs haven't been finalized. With the shorter wheelbase, the Traveler is more limited in terms of volume available. That said, it will come down to a number of factors (density, chemistry, packaging, etc., etc.). The Terra has room to offer more, but like most manufacturers, we wrestle with how much battery we throw at this thing while trying to balance cost and weight. Merely throwing more battery at it isn't always the best solution. Let's see how things go between now and launch.

Oh, and our drag coefficient numbers are better than anyone expected. Tires have a big impact of course, but the core body is impressive in the wind tunnel.

Jamie

Are there numbers for the drag coefficient for both vehicles? I’d be curious to see what they are.