Maybe but they said specifically that 18 was needed over 17 in order to make it work so hope it works but guessing after everyone does their first couple of speed launches they’ll settle down. You and a few others might be the exceptions
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If you don’t already drive an EV, there are several things you need to understand about the differences in acceleration of an EV vs a similarly-quick (in a straight line) gassy vehicle. If you’re used to a 3.5 second gas car, a 3.5 second EV will give you better acceleration when it matters, such as joining cross traffic.
First, @cyure is correct, a gassy vehicle requires more time to start its acceleration. There’s always hesitation in a gassy vehicle, unless, perhaps, you’re running an F1 or something similar, but we’re talking about production, street-legal vehicles.
Second, as @Jamie@ScoutMotors stated, a big heavy vehicle is going to handle poorly no matter the drivetrain. Straight-line acceleration is a niche use-case as to be almost entirely meaningless for most driving*. See my note below.
If you’re turning into traffic from a dead stop at a perpendicular road, you have to hammer the gassy vehicle right away because you know if you don't it’ll never get up to speed by the time you’ve entered traffic and hit the accelerator, deal with the hesitation, and finally start to accelerate. The acceleration during a turn causes all kinds of issues with body roll, losing traction, over steer, and etc. In an EV, you can do it that way, and because of the higher response rate of electric motors to traction control (thousand+ times per second compared with a ten times/second in a gassy vehicle), you’re much, much less likely to lose traction even in the steering tires when they're turned hard; you’ll still have body roll and may have some over steer.
With an EV you can also choose to gently turn into traffic and after you’re in the lane, you can hammer the accelerator and “instantly” achieve acceleration instead of dealing with that gassy engine hesitation you get when you floor it (* here is when you’re employing straight line acceleration; all the noise and smoke and drama during the 90⁰ turn is a waste). You get minimal body roll, no over steer, no loss of traction, just pure acceleration when you need it.
It seems inconceivable to me that Scout will hamper its vehicles by using a slow-response traction control/stability control. If they're trying for 3.5 seconds of acceleration, they need to have a very high response rate traction control. They will still have high body roll; with the very large and heavy vehicles, this is impossible to avoid if you also want decently-comfortable suspension. But if you retrain yourself how to get into cross traffic from a stop with an EV, you'll eat fewer tires and you'll have overall better acceleration.
First, @cyure is correct, a gassy vehicle requires more time to start its acceleration. There’s always hesitation in a gassy vehicle, unless, perhaps, you’re running an F1 or something similar, but we’re talking about production, street-legal vehicles.
Second, as @Jamie@ScoutMotors stated, a big heavy vehicle is going to handle poorly no matter the drivetrain. Straight-line acceleration is a niche use-case as to be almost entirely meaningless for most driving*. See my note below.
If you’re turning into traffic from a dead stop at a perpendicular road, you have to hammer the gassy vehicle right away because you know if you don't it’ll never get up to speed by the time you’ve entered traffic and hit the accelerator, deal with the hesitation, and finally start to accelerate. The acceleration during a turn causes all kinds of issues with body roll, losing traction, over steer, and etc. In an EV, you can do it that way, and because of the higher response rate of electric motors to traction control (thousand+ times per second compared with a ten times/second in a gassy vehicle), you’re much, much less likely to lose traction even in the steering tires when they're turned hard; you’ll still have body roll and may have some over steer.
With an EV you can also choose to gently turn into traffic and after you’re in the lane, you can hammer the accelerator and “instantly” achieve acceleration instead of dealing with that gassy engine hesitation you get when you floor it (* here is when you’re employing straight line acceleration; all the noise and smoke and drama during the 90⁰ turn is a waste). You get minimal body roll, no over steer, no loss of traction, just pure acceleration when you need it.
It seems inconceivable to me that Scout will hamper its vehicles by using a slow-response traction control/stability control. If they're trying for 3.5 seconds of acceleration, they need to have a very high response rate traction control. They will still have high body roll; with the very large and heavy vehicles, this is impossible to avoid if you also want decently-comfortable suspension. But if you retrain yourself how to get into cross traffic from a stop with an EV, you'll eat fewer tires and you'll have overall better acceleration.
Thanks for that detailed explanation as always. I just knew how it felt and you put the science behind it.
yes- and according to the policy writers in my family it’s that battery pack that’s the big problem. Not sure if anything’s changed since I was told a small dent to the rocker panel on a Tesla and it can be totaled due to fear of compromise of the pack…
Collision industry specialist of 20 years here including managing a Tesla structural repair facility for 3 years. EV's are more expensive to repair isn't true. At least not in the actual reality of the repair as most modern vehicles use aluminum now for exterior panels, advanced safety systems, and some form of ACC. In fact, other than the cost of the battery of which its extremely rare that its damaged in a collision unless there is a direct impact to it, the high cost of repair comes from the over exaggerated labor cost of third party repair facilities.
PSA: If you own an EV do not let a shop tell you that they think the battery has been compromised during a collision if there is no physical damage to it. In most major collisions on EV's the pyro fuse will blow due to voltage spike from the air bags deploying resulting in the disconnection of connectors in the battery and thus discontinuing any voltage transfer to or from it. The battery itself is unaffected in anyway as well as most if not all HV related components.
Granted there is additional training that is needed to work on HV components and not just anyone should be permitted to work on them, so inevitably that cost gets handed down to the repair facilities so they will need to bump up labor rates to cover them. However, when it comes to the body parts themselves they are relatively inexpensive. Other than the headlights, side view mirrors, suspension, glass, wheels and tires is where the most cost comes in but this is the same as ICE cars. I mean I've seen some BMW headlight assemblies as high as $3K and that's without all of the necessary components to make them work!
I can attest to the headlights. Our Supra had to get them replaced and they were about $4k each and the carbon fiber mirror caps were $800. Nothing is inexpensive these days.
Now we know who to message with all our accident repair questions!
Presuming gig-casting is another issue with costs since you now replace an entire side of vehicle vs say the front quarter panel? Still hoping SM goes with smaller panels for that very reason
Why dd they have to feature a Scout in this article? 
www.thedrive.com
How The Wrong Car Cover Can Cause Rust
Car covers are not all created equally, and one that works well to protect against mice might actually be terrible against rain.
www.thedrive.com
Oh for goodness sake.Why dd they have to feature a Scout in this article?
How The Wrong Car Cover Can Cause Rust
Car covers are not all created equally, and one that works well to protect against mice might actually be terrible against rain.
There's a reason why Scout has this in their FAQ:Why dd they have to feature a Scout in this article?
How The Wrong Car Cover Can Cause Rust
Car covers are not all created equally, and one that works well to protect against mice might actually be terrible against rain.
Will Scout® vehicles be resistant to rust and corrosion? | Scout Support
Actually this is another misconception. In fact, giga-casting makes possible for "surgical repairs" by using a technique called bonding and riveting. Tesla is by far leading the way for this type of repair. We went from replacing massive components to being able to cut out and replace only what is needed, thus reducing the cost of repairs as well as the time it takes to complete them.
Regardless I have no doubt that Scout has surveyed these types of things to engineer their vehicles. At least I hope they have lol!
There's a reason why Scout has this in their FAQ:
Will Scout® vehicles be resistant to rust and corrosion? | Scout Support
Very interesting, I've never paid attention to the wording before. A galvanized frame? I don't think anybody makes an SUV or pickup with a galvanized frame. This will interesting to watch, but I suspect we'll end up with a regular steel frame with various treatments, but I hope I'm wrong.
Another DTC article. Nothing really that new
Lucid has chapter11 bankruptcy on the table. Advisors told the board today.
Shares went from $5.50 to $3.50. Down to $2.40, where a HALT happened and has been happening every few minutes.
Luckily i sold once i saw the $3.50 took a loss but oh well at least i didnt lose my money due to closure from bankruptcy.
Shares went from $5.50 to $3.50. Down to $2.40, where a HALT happened and has been happening every few minutes.
Luckily i sold once i saw the $3.50 took a loss but oh well at least i didnt lose my money due to closure from bankruptcy.
I have been assured multiple times the originals in the 60s and 70s shipped from the factory pre-rustedThere's a reason why Scout has this in their FAQ:
Will Scout® vehicles be resistant to rust and corrosion? | Scout Support
This Is What Audi’s Mercedes-Benz G-Class Rival Could Look Like — Autoblog
The Concept C and Nuvolari inspired this rendering of what would be Audi’s first production body-on-frame SUV.
“Could” is doing a lot of work here. And I “could” run a marathon today.
This Is What Audi’s Mercedes-Benz G-Class Rival Could Look Like — Autoblog
The Concept C and Nuvolari inspired this rendering of what would be Audi’s first production body-on-frame SUV.apple.news
I’m sorry they just threw a Scout and a GWagon in some AI program and said make them an Audi.This Is What Audi’s Mercedes-Benz G-Class Rival Could Look Like — Autoblog
The Concept C and Nuvolari inspired this rendering of what would be Audi’s first production body-on-frame SUV.
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