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[cyure]

That’s an extreme example.

The Lucid Air has the best coefficient of drag in a production vehicle in the US. The deflection can be done much, much more subtly.

But the trick is that the Scouts will need to use some of the air impacting the front of the vehicle for thermal management.

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That’s much more reasonable looking.

 

[R1TVT]

Anyone notice if R2 kept the rear air vents on the front wheel wells?

 

[cyure]

Anyone notice if R2 kept the rear air vents on the front wheel wells?

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Picture from when we test drove. Do you mean this?

 

[cyure]

It’s just so fast. I can’t imagine something as big as the Scout going that fast. That R2 was scary fast.

 

[Logan]

I’m not sure where this thought goes. Since I just noticed this in the images in the article you linked, it’ll go here.

Scout’s concepts do not have air deflectors in front of the tires on the front or rear. If this design is carried through to production, this will allow fast-moving air to get up into the wheel wells and increase drag. Adding well-designed deflectors in front of the wheel wells would improve the coefficient of drag by another 10% or so. That won’t translate to a 10% improvement in range, but it could help quite a bit.

Large, skinny, light-weight tires that mostly fill the wheel well would end up helping the situation somewhat if there are no deflectors.

I had similar thoughts.

But on the offroading practical front, without air suspension, you're going to limit the wheel travel quite a bit with large tires that fill the wheel wells.

Although air suspension cranked to high clearance mode also limits wheel travel, just in a different way.

You could have sliding lower air dams extend in front of the wheels and tires some. I swear I've seen something like that in some models now, as active aero is much more common than it was, as we're continuing to chase more efficiency. But not sure that would be cost effective.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

I think all of us at Scout have had the situation where someone socially asks where you work/what do you do and you tell them Scout and most people have no idea. Things will radically change when vehicles are on the road.

I firmly believe this will be the case.

 

[R1TVT]

Picture from when we test drove. Do you mean this?

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BOOM.

 

[strider]

Is there a vehicle that has them so I can see what they look like? Thanks!

Here's what they look like on my Model X Plaid:

Another great thing about EVs is you can have very air-friendly covers and such underneath to minimize drag.

 

[J Alynn]

And they just fall further and further behind.

https://insideevs.com/news/801150/toyota-highlander-ev-launch-delayed/

The Japanese companies just can’t seem to solidly their business was projections. Just like Honda missing opportunity to do an S2000 successor and making the prelude more in line with what it was originally. If you are going to g to market using iconic former models-you better do it right. SM has done it right. Honda is blowing it and the Toyota successors they keep talking about are too modern in my opinion and just won’t pull sales from the older generation that loved them. I loved the early 90’s MR2’s but the new images are so far away-IMO

 

[J Alynn]

The 4Runner's air dam is comically large and hangs super low for an offroad vehicle, but it makes for a great example.

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Can hear it scraping across the curb every time it pulls too far into a parking space

 

[J Alynn]

Here's what they look like on my Model X Plaid:
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Another great thing about EVs is you can have very air-friendly covers and such underneath to minimize drag.

That’s a great application and presume barely noticeable from the side view

 

[J Alynn]

It’s just so fast. I can’t imagine something as big as the Scout going that fast. That R2 was scary fast.

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Then don’t put the pedal down because they’ve been quoting 3.5 seconds

 

[cyure]

The Japanese companies just can’t seem to solidly their business was projections. Just like Honda missing opportunity to do an S2000 successor and making the prelude more in line with what it was originally. If you are going to g to market using iconic former models-you better do it right. SM has done it right. Honda is blowing it and the Toyota successors they keep talking about are too modern in my opinion and just won’t pull sales from the older generation that loved them. I loved the early 90’s MR2’s but the new images are so far away-IMO

And they are so expensive. I’m sorry $50,000 for a GR Corolla. No thanks.

 

[Mousehunter]

I do a lot of 3hr round trips in my F250 - usually beat the day after. Starting to recover from the 5hr Sunday (had 3 days on the beach, so at least it was not a 10hr round trip. Getting ready for a 40hr round trip - my rear is going to be numb - and perhaps I might try to get a refill on my prescription pain killer.

My wife's Mustang is just uncomfortable. The seat seems curved, forcing your shoulders forward, then the head rest shoves your head even further forward. Makes me feel like a pretzel driving it.

 

[speedrye]

The Japanese companies just can’t seem to solidly their business was projections. Just like Honda missing opportunity to do an S2000 successor and making the prelude more in line with what it was originally. If you are going to g to market using iconic former models-you better do it right. SM has done it right. Honda is blowing it and the Toyota successors they keep talking about are too modern in my opinion and just won’t pull sales from the older generation that loved them. I loved the early 90’s MR2’s but the new images are so far away-IMO

My '91 MR2 is one of the few vehicles I miss. Dangerous as hell because you had about .5% margin at the handling limit between going forwards or going backwards, much like an old air-cooled 911. It really hones your driving skills, especially on the track. Most cars give plenty of warning and have a progressive breakaway at the limit, but not these! I've been drifting vehicles since before it was cool and most sporty vehicles can let the rear hang out pretty easily and you can control how far before passing the point of no return. One of the most fun vehicles I had for drifting was an old '77 2wd Suburban with a 454. Completely off topic, but you mentioned it, so I had to derail things for a bit.

I'm really hoping Toyota does something fun with a new Celica or MR2, but I just don't see enough of a market with the 86 (also a fun car!) in their lineup. They'll probably muck it up with only-hybrid engines tied to only-automatic transmissions.

 

[cyure]

My '91 MR2 is one of the few vehicles I miss. Dangerous as hell because you had about .5% margin at the handling limit between going forwards or going backwards, much like an old air-cooled 911. It really hones your driving skills, especially on the track. Most cars give plenty of warning and have a progressive breakaway at the limit, but not these! I've been drifting vehicles since before it was cool and most sporty vehicles can let the rear hang out pretty easily and you can control how far before passing the point of no return. One of the most fun vehicles I had for drifting was an old '77 2wd Suburban with a 454. Completely off topic, but you mentioned it, so I had to derail things for a bit.

I'm really hoping Toyota does something fun with a new Celica or MR2, but I just don't see enough of a market with the 86 (also a fun car!) in their lineup. They'll probably muck it up with only-hybrid engines tied to only-automatic transmissions.

My husband wishes Honda would bring back the del Sol with a targa roof like the original. He loved that car. That was his first open roof car we purchased.

 

[speedrye]

My husband wishes Honda would bring back the del Sol with a targa roof like the original. He loved that car. That was his first open roof car we purchased.

I do miss the T-tops on my MR2. I'm stupid, so I need a full cage around me in a vehicle, so that's the closest I'll come to an open-air driving experience.

 

[J Alynn]

My '91 MR2 is one of the few vehicles I miss. Dangerous as hell because you had about .5% margin at the handling limit between going forwards or going backwards, much like an old air-cooled 911. It really hones your driving skills, especially on the track. Most cars give plenty of warning and have a progressive breakaway at the limit, but not these! I've been drifting vehicles since before it was cool and most sporty vehicles can let the rear hang out pretty easily and you can control how far before passing the point of no return. One of the most fun vehicles I had for drifting was an old '77 2wd Suburban with a 454. Completely off topic, but you mentioned it, so I had to derail things for a bit.

I'm really hoping Toyota does something fun with a new Celica or MR2, but I just don't see enough of a market with the 86 (also a fun car!) in their lineup. They'll probably muck it up with only-hybrid engines tied to only-automatic transmissions.

Cool to know. I suspect your are correct on the mucking up part

 

[J Alynn]

My husband wishes Honda would bring back the del Sol with a targa roof like the original. He loved that car. That was his first open roof car we purchased.

Wife and I are in same boat but I’m a bit bigger these days so maybe add 10% to the size. I keep my eyes open regularly and would love to find a reasonably clean one. Most became teen racers and they are so butchered I would dare buy it due to what the screwed up trying to tune them. But boy I wish I could get one-they were so cool back in the day. Especially the green colored one

 

[cyure]

Wife and I are in same boat but I’m a bit bigger these days so maybe add 10% to the size. I keep my eyes open regularly and would love to find a reasonably clean one. Most became teen racers and they are so butchered I would dare buy it due to what the screwed up trying to tune them. But boy I wish I could get one-they were so cool back in the day. Especially the green colored one

All his cars he picked have been black, white or grey. That one was all black. Another car he bought that was on the showroom floor and they have to open the big doors and drive it out. He has bought 3 that way.