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[SpaceEVDriver]

If we want to see America take the lead again they need to federalize all utilities and dumping billions into new reactors to bring energy costs down.

Don’t even get me started on how backward our energy portfolio is.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

This is very interesting because I actually like Nissans current design language so depending on the final look this could catch my interest. But I really love the traveler A LOT and want to stay connected to the EV process so long as the production vehicles still look good when they release into the wild

My prediction: You would be bored with the Xterra within a year. It’s been done. It’ll be the same-old, gassy off-road SUV. What’s the point? It’ll have a few details that make it slightly better than the Wrangler. A few details that make it slightly better than the 4-Runner. It’ll have a few details that make it less interesting than the 4-Runner or the Wrangler. It’ll be better than the Bronco. But overall, it’ll be the same thing and won’t be truly unique. There will be ten of them on your commute within a few months.

You would be looking back at the Traveler and wondering, “what if?”

 

[J Alynn]

My prediction: You would be bored with the Xterra within a year. It’s been done. It’ll be the same-old, gassy off-road SUV. What’s the point? It’ll have a few details that make it slightly better than the Wrangler. A few details that make it slightly better than the 4-Runner. It’ll have a few details that make it less interesting than the 4-Runner or the Wrangler. It’ll be better than the Bronco. But overall, it’ll be the same thing and won’t be truly unique. There will be ten of them on your commute within a few months.

You would be looking back at the Traveler and wondering, “what if?”

You are 100% correct. I’m just saying if something changed that just really bugged me to the point I no longer liked the traveler I would consider it. I had a pathfinder years ago and it was perfectly fine but the traveler will spark emotions (already did at the reveal) that I’d likely never get from the Nissan

 

[cyure]

My prediction: You would be bored with the Xterra within a year. It’s been done. It’ll be the same-old, gassy off-road SUV. What’s the point? It’ll have a few details that make it slightly better than the Wrangler. A few details that make it slightly better than the 4-Runner. It’ll have a few details that make it less interesting than the 4-Runner or the Wrangler. It’ll be better than the Bronco. But overall, it’ll be the same thing and won’t be truly unique. There will be ten of them on your commute within a few months.

You would be looking back at the Traveler and wondering, “what if?”

Exactly and the interiors on those all look the same to me and I bet the Xterra will too. I’ve been trying to find a word to describe the interiors on 4Runners and Land Cruisers etc and the word that comes to my mind is bulky. I don’t know why. The Scouts are sleek inside. If that makes any sense.

 

[cyure]

You are 100% correct. I’m just saying if something changed that just really bugged me to the point I no longer liked the traveler I would consider it. I had a pathfinder years ago and it was perfectly fine but the traveler will spark emotions (already did at the reveal) that I’d likely never get from the Nissan

Well that’s not going to happen so you don’t have to even consider it.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

You are 100% correct. I’m just saying if something changed that just really bugged me to the point I no longer liked the traveler I would consider it. I had a pathfinder years ago and it was perfectly fine but the traveler will spark emotions (already did at the reveal) that I’d likely never get from the Nissan

If Scout Motors dropped the BEV in favor of the Harvester, then I’d lose all interest.
If they made the BEV Traveler skinnier (60 to 70 inches wide), I’d be interested enough to restart my reservation.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Exactly and the interiors on those all look the same to me and I bet the Xterra will too. I’ve been trying to find a word to describe the interiors on 4Runners and Land Cruisers etc and the word that comes to my mind is bulky. I don’t know why. The Scouts are sleek inside. If that makes any sense.

It absolutely makes sense. The bulk of the interiors of modern SUVs and trucks is in response to the extra, unnecessary width of the exteriors. If they slimmed up the interiors to be sensible, the interiors would be so spacious as to feel excessive. I think they would probably feel too spacious from most peoples’ perspectives.

The extra, unnecessary widths are because automotive lobbyists carved out an exception to emissions targets based on total area footprint: the bigger the footprint, the lower the relative emissions targets.

Scout has gone for the very wide footprint, but they have figured out a better interior design. There’s still bulk, but it’s hidden fairly well.

 

[cyure]

If Scout Motors dropped the BEV in favor of the Harvester, then I’d lose all interest.
If they made the BEV Traveler skinnier (60 to 70 inches wide), I’d be interested enough to restart my reservation.

60 to 70 is really skinny. That’s skinnier than a Wrangler by quite a bit. My son’s Hyundai Venue is 70 inches wide and it’s tiny.

What vehicle is 60 inches wide? Is there anything for comparison?

 

[cyure]

It absolutely makes sense. The bulk of the interiors of modern SUVs and trucks is in response to the extra, unnecessary width of the exteriors. If they slimmed up the interiors to be sensible, the interiors would be so spacious as to feel excessive. I think they would probably feel too spacious from most peoples’ perspectives.

The extra, unnecessary widths are because automotive lobbyists carved out an exception to emissions targets based on total area footprint: the bigger the footprint, the lower the relative emissions targets.

Scout has gone for the very wide footprint, but they have figured out a better interior design. There’s still bulk, but it’s hidden fairly well.

Exactly.

 

[Chuckles]

60 to 70 is really skinny. That’s skinnier than a Wrangler by quite a bit. My son’s Hyundai Venue is 70 inches wide and it’s tiny.

What vehicle is 60 inches wide? Is there anything for comparison?

HD All-Weather Model - The All-New ROXOR By Mahindra

roxoroffroad.com

Roxor is 60.7 inches. They are similar to original Scouts in size and capability. Not street legal from the factory. Of course, the original IH Scouts wouldn't be road legal either if manufactured today.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

60 to 70 is really skinny. That’s skinnier than a Wrangler by quite a bit. My son’s Hyundai Venue is 70 inches wide and it’s tiny.

What vehicle is 60 inches wide? Is there anything for comparison?

It is skinny. But for perspective, 70 inches used to be a wide vehicle.

Some examples in the widths I mentioned:
The Scout 2 was 70 inches wide.
The 1976-1979 Jeep CJ-7 was 62 inches wide.
The 1980s Suzuki Samurai/Sidekick/Jimny was 55-60 inches wide.
The 1970s-1980s Toyota Land Cruisers were ~65 inches wide. Some models skinnier and some wider.
The first and second generation 4Runners were about 66 inches wide. The third gens started getting wider.

 

[Chavannigans]

It is skinny. But for perspective, 70 inches used to be a wide vehicle.

Some examples in the widths I mentioned:
The Scout 2 was 70 inches wide.
The 1976-1979 Jeep CJ-7 was 62 inches wide.
The 1980s Suzuki Samurai/Sidekick/Jimny was 55-60 inches wide.
The 1970s-1980s Toyota Land Cruisers were ~65 inches wide. Some models skinnier and some wider.
The first and second generation 4Runners were about 66 inches wide. The third gens started getting wider.

Third Gen was Best Gen

 

[cyure]

Lightning spy shots.

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/08/fords-electric-f-150-is-getting-an-off-road-makeover/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Threads#Echobox=1755826321

 

[Chuckles]

Light trucks didn't have to meet the same safety standards as cars until 1999. It was probably easier to make them narrower then. CAFE standards for light trucks remained essentially unchanged from 1984 to 2004, making it easier for auto companies to increase their size.

 

[LastDayScout]

I plug in my Lightning and Mustang every night and charge to 95% and 85%, respectively (because I’m too lazy to change the Mustang’s value up to 95%). If you can, you should always be charging. There’s no reason not to.

The old myth of not charging above 80% is misunderstood and incorrect for home charging. When on a road trip, it often makes sense not to charge once the charge rate drops significantly, which happens around 80% for most EVs. But there’s no reason not to charge higher while at home. And there’s no reason not to come home with less than 5%. Though most people will very rarely do so. You have more like 90-95% of the battery readily available to you while commuting and doing around-town errand-running.

There’s truly zero struggle with this, IF you’re privileged enough to have a home charger that can recover the charge from your daily commuting.
Obviously if someone is unable to charge at home, this changes things and greater range becomes more important.

I’m going to change my setting up from 80% to 95%. I almost exclusively charge on a level 2 EVSE at work.

 

[LastDayScout]

Actually the Nissan Armada and it’s “middle Eastern” version (drawing a blank on name) are very popular overseas in the UAE and those areas so while it doesn’t make tons of sense here in the U.S. I see a case for overseas.

Patrol

 

[J Alynn]

Exactly and the interiors on those all look the same to me and I bet the Xterra will too. I’ve been trying to find a word to describe the interiors on 4Runners and Land Cruisers etc and the word that comes to my mind is bulky. I don’t know why. The Scouts are sleek inside. If that makes any sense.

I get what you mean. Scouts are way more stylish too-at least the prototype versions are.

 

[J Alynn]

It absolutely makes sense. The bulk of the interiors of modern SUVs and trucks is in response to the extra, unnecessary width of the exteriors. If they slimmed up the interiors to be sensible, the interiors would be so spacious as to feel excessive. I think they would probably feel too spacious from most peoples’ perspectives.

The extra, unnecessary widths are because automotive lobbyists carved out an exception to emissions targets based on total area footprint: the bigger the footprint, the lower the relative emissions targets.

Scout has gone for the very wide footprint, but they have figured out a better interior design. There’s still bulk, but it’s hidden fairly well.

Well stated

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Lightning spy shots.

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/08/fords-electric-f-150-is-getting-an-off-road-makeover/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Threads#Echobox=1755826321

Hmm...
The rear drive assembly is so big and bulky on the Lightning and its semi-trailing swingarm suspension doesn’t lend itself to very much lifting. Changing the angles on that IRS is difficult without a major change to the cv joints and axles. Better ground clearance can’t realistically be achieved without a set of 35s or 37s. The 32s on that test mule just won’t give the clearance. Unless and until they figure out how to make space for 35s or 37s within the front wheel wells, the Lightning will be a mild-to-moderate trail truck.

Of course, dressing it up as a rugged off-roader doesn’t require much in the way of changing the underlying components.

 

[J Alynn]

60 to 70 is really skinny. That’s skinnier than a Wrangler by quite a bit. My son’s Hyundai Venue is 70 inches wide and it’s tiny.

What vehicle is 60 inches wide? Is there anything for comparison?

When I plan things in residential design I figure 6’ w x 16 to 17 feet long though most sedans are 16 to 16.5’ long and SUVs typically add another 12-24 inches overall-and sometimes more but I can’t think of a typical vehicle that is 60” other than a Mini or Fiat or small segment 2-door compact