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“Rivian Warns Gen 2 R1 Owners of 12V Battery Issue That Can Leave Vehicles Stranded”​


 

“Rivian Warns Gen 2 R1 Owners of 12V Battery Issue That Can Leave Vehicles Stranded”​


Actually this is nice to see that they are contacting owners before they have an issue.
 



“Citing massive losses and a cooling market, the Japanese auto giant is backing away from an all-electric future in a huge blow to the EV industry and a sign that the road to clean cars just got a lot bumpier.”
 



“Citing massive losses and a cooling market, the Japanese auto giant is backing away from an all-electric future in a huge blow to the EV industry and a sign that the road to clean cars just got a lot bumpier.”
This sucks but at least Hondas have always been very efficient. Prefer hearing that over say Dodge that just wants to sell gas guzzlers
 
Jeep is bringing back the 392 Wrangler and putting the 392 in the Gladiator apparently. I fear we are going backwards
Stellantis has been in pretty big trouble and their numbers have been way down since they tried to kill off their entire V8 lineup.

I think they are finally listening to dealerships and buyers by returning that option.

It doesnt necessarily mean they cant keep making hybrids or EVs, but they need to make sure their target markets actually want those things.

A BEV Compass makes more sense to me than a Muscle Car or Jeep Wrangler.
 
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Stellantis has been in pretty big trouble and their numbers have been way down since they tried to kill off their entire V8 lineup.

I think they are finally listening to dealerships and buyers by returning that option.

It doesnt necessarily mean they cant keep making hybrids or EVs, but they need to make sure their target markets actually want those things.

A BEV Compass makes more sense to me than a Muscle Car or Jeep Wrangler.
Yeah that 4xe is ridiculous. It’s only has like 25 miles of EV range. I talked to a woman in a parking lot once and asked her questions. She was charging her Jeep 3 times a day to only use the EV range.
 



“Citing massive losses and a cooling market, the Japanese auto giant is backing away from an all-electric future in a huge blow to the EV industry and a sign that the road to clean cars just got a lot bumpier.”
"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."
 
“Citing massive losses and a cooling market, the Japanese auto giant is backing away from an all-electric future in a huge blow to the EV industry and a sign that the road to clean cars just got a lot bumpier.”

The main thing I noticed in that quote was the phrase "...an all-electric future..." So they are not giving up on EVs, they are just not going to focus exclusively on EVs. This makes sense to me. With the US government screwing up EV adoption incentives (cancelling the rebates and the emissions requirements), I think auto companies that sell in the US should continue to develop gas and electric vehicles. While I think EVs are clearly superior, not everyone agrees with me and forcing the mater on people is counter productive.
 
This got me thinking and I asked ChatGPT to help me put it together. I think this makes a lot of sense. We are still fairly early in the transition phase. So, ICE will need to be around for at least 20 more years if not more.
I’m unable to pull live web data right now, but I can still walk you through a thoughtful and insightful analysis based on well-established historical trends and population data.

1. The Horse-to-Automobile Transition in the U.S.

  • Peak of Horse-drawn Transport: In the late 1800s, cities like New York were dependent on tens of thousands of horses—overwhelmed by waste, cost, and disease.
  • Rise of Automobiles:
    • Early 1900s: Light adoption among wealthy individuals.
    • 1910s: Mass production, particularly by Ford’s Model T (introduced 1908), dramatically lowered prices.
    • By the early 1920s: Streetcars, horse-drawn carriages, and related industries began to dwindle in urban settings.
    • Late 1920s to early 1930s: Automobiles had become the dominant mode of personal transport in most U.S. cities.
    Estimated transition timeframe: Roughly 20–30 years from niche to dominance.

2. U.S. Population Then vs. Now

PeriodApprox. U.S. Population
Around 1900~76 million
Present (2025 est.)~335 million
So while the population grew roughly 4–5x, societal transformation and infrastructure built at city scales enabled rapid technological adoption despite this growth.

3. What This Means for Transitioning to EVs / Alternative Fuels

EV Adoption Timeline

  • Late 1990s–2000s: Early, small-scale electric vehicles (e.g., EV1, then Prius hybrid).
  • 2010s: Rise of mass-market EVs (e.g., Tesla Model S, Chevy Volt) and charging infrastructure begins scaling.
  • Currently (2025): EVs are growing rapidly but still under 20% of new car sales; widespread adoption likely still decades away.

Estimated Transition Metric

If the horse-to-car shift took ~25 years for dominance, an equivalent curve for EVs (considering improved infrastructure, policy incentives, better awareness, and urgency of climate change) suggests that full transition to majority EV/alternative-fuel vehicles in the U.S. might occur within the next 20–30 years.

4. Key Comparison Table

Transition PhaseDurationPopulation Scale
Horses to Automobiles~25 years~76 million → ~100 million
ICE to EV/Alt Fuels (Projected)~20–30 years~335 million

5. Takeaways

  • Rapid Urban Change: Despite lower population, the horse-to-car shift was intense and often chaotic. Modern infrastructure and economic frameworks can enable (but also complicate) similarly fast transitions.
  • Infrastructure Matters: The EV transition depends on charging networks, grid upgrades, regulations, and consumer behavior—parallel to how paving, gas stations, and highways enabled the car revolution.

In Summary:​

  • The U.S. shifted from horses to cars in about 2–3 decades at the turn of the 20th century.
  • The population was significantly lower then (~76M vs ~335M), yet change was swift thanks to technology and industry coordination.
  • Today, as we aim to move from internal combustion to EVs and alternative-fuel vehicles, a similar 20–30 year timeline is plausible—given the lessons from history, current momentum, and remaining infrastructural challenges.

 
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Yeah that 4xe is ridiculous. It’s only has like 25 miles of EV range. I talked to a woman in a parking lot once and asked her questions. She was charging her Jeep 3 times a day to only use the EV range.

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."
Thats not fair-they had the clarity because you know-the future is hydrogen
 
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