Battery Life Cycle

[strider]

PowerCo and Quantumscape are now dealing with OEMs to produce these solid-state batteries. While I agree with you that wide-scale deployment of Solid State Batteries (SSB) will be closer to 2030, the initial use of it with cars that have low volume will start next year. If I was the CEO of Scout, I would be doing everything in my power to be sure that Scout was one of the first to use this battery. The low volume and timing of the Scout factory make it perfect for Scout. I personally will wait for a Scout until they have this battery as an option even if it costs more. It will be worth it. The generator using fossil fuel is a complete and utter waste when SSB will do that and much more.

Nice to e-meet you but I am glad you are not the CEO of Scout. I have been driving EVs for 15 years now and SSBs are like fusion energy, always just 2 years away. Go back and read your posts in this thread. I can't even count the number of times you said "should, will, etc." It's all pie in the sky at this point. As @Cranky Canuck said, there is ZERO use of these batteries outside of the lab and test track. We have ZERO longevity data or data on how they will respond to real-world use (vibration in particular has been the bane of SSBs as they are quite brittle). The good news for Scout is that it will be trivial to use the new tech once it's proven. It's like changing the type or size of fuel tank in your ICE car. The engine doesn't care what shape the tank is. It just needs X Amps at Y volts.

Scout cannot afford to have pictures of vehicles on flatbeds floating around on the internet. Scout should stick to proven tech and let others figure out the new stuff (they call it the bleeding edge for a reason).

If you are waiting for SSBs before buying an EV, I predict you will be waiting a very long time.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Nice to e-meet you but I am glad you are not the CEO of Scout. I have been driving EVs for 15 years now and SSBs are like fusion energy, always just 2 years away. Go back and read your posts in this thread. I can't even count the number of times you said "should, will, etc." It's all pie in the sky at this point. As @Cranky Canuck said, there is ZERO use of these batteries outside of the lab and test track. We have ZERO longevity data or data on how they will respond to real-world use (vibration in particular has been the bane of SSBs as they are quite brittle). The good news for Scout is that it will be trivial to use the new tech once it's proven. It's like changing the type or size of fuel tank in your ICE car. The engine doesn't care what shape the tank is. It just needs X Amps at Y volts.

Scout cannot afford to have pictures of vehicles on flatbeds floating around on the internet. Scout should stick to proven tech and let others figure out the new stuff (they call it the bleeding edge for a reason).

If you are waiting for SSBs before buying an EV, I predict you will be waiting a very long time.

It’s funny to me that people think an auto manufacturer that is building a vehicle now is going to select a component that isn’t in factories yet, much less one that hasn’t even left the lab and touched an actual test vehicle.

There are zero publicly-known vehicles in the world that have tested an actual SSB. There are some—the Mercedes—that have tested a semi-solid battery, but that’s a far, far cry from solid.

It’s all hype and will continue to be for most people until there’s a factory anywhere in the world that’s cranking out 10,000 or 100,000 a month.

 

[Chaz26]

Also, if a major established manufacturer tried them in one of their models, at least if it didn't work out they have others to fall back on. Imagine if Scout went with solid state and was one of or the first to do so and then 2 years later all of them started failing. It would pretty much end the company with all the recalls and reputational damage if something like that were to happen. I'd much rather use current proven battery technology and then have solid state put in them once they are proven reliable in 10-15 years. Perhaps they'll even be a way to battery swap to them in later years depending on the design and size.

 

[J Alynn]

Also, if a major established manufacturer tried them in one of their models, at least if it didn't work out they have others to fall back on. Imagine if Scout went with solid state and was one of or the first to do so and then 2 years later all of them started failing. It would pretty much end the company with all the recalls and reputational damage if something like that were to happen. I'd much rather use current proven battery technology and then have solid state put in them once they are proven reliable in 10-15 years. Perhaps they'll even be a way to battery swap to them in later years depending on the design and size.

Exactly the sentiment I think many of us feel as well. First in tech for an Apple Watch is one thing but for a $60L vehicle that’s a HIGE financial risk on both sides of the fence!