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I think you missed the part about them usually having softer compounds.

The K03 Scout will install will likely not be the same K03 you buy at a tire shop.

Most people dont realize they are different tires despite being the same size and model.

Car manufacturers typically get multiple versions of the same tires sent by the tire manufacturers. Then pick one based on their goals and handling characteristics for the new vehicle.

While you may be familiar with the K03 tire, there is a chance the ones on the Scouts will behave different in snow, wet, muddy, uneven, hot, or rocky conditions than the ones you had in the past.

This is also why factory tires tend to wear out quickly on most vehicles.

This article describes part of that tire selection process.

Sticking With Your OEM Tires, Some Notes About Wheel Sizes​

"Well, Pieter, I too find the choice of 20” wheels across the board odd, but there could be a very good reason for this. I can’t look into the minds of the engineers and product planners at Renault but one reason to have a single tire size is that tire development is expensive and time consuming. If you can release a new vehicle with the same tire on all trim levels it saves a lot of time and money during development. A lot of effort is put into making sure the tires a car is sold with perform at the high levels a manufacturer specifies. This process can take over a year to complete and requires the tire manufacturer to make several “submissions” to the car company.

In each submission, the tire company will provide several hundred tires with different types of construction and rubber compounds. The constructions may vary in the way the steel and nylon belts are oriented, or what rubber compounds are used in the tread blocks. Each design will behave differently and the vehicle development engineers will then spend several weeks testing each of the tires to see which one works the best in the car. They will test each tire for cornering, stopping, and acceleration performance in dry and wet conditions. They will test the amount of noise a tire makes over various types of road surfaces. They will see how well the tire communicates road conditions through the steering system. Does the tire wander over minor road imperfections? Is it sensitive to ruts in the road? They may also test it on special machines to get an estimate of tire life.

Stick With OEM Rubber​

All this can take several months to complete and it will usually happen about three times, with each successive submission refining the tire construction until hopefully by the third submission there is at least one construction that meets the targets set by the company for that particular vehicle. These targets, as well as many other vehicle targets, like cost, weight, fuel economy, vehicle size, etc. are set very early in a vehicle program to meet the expectations of the expected customer. The overall vehicle targets then get broken down into targets for each individual system, including the suspension and tires. Often the targets are based on vehicles made by the company’s competition, and also by doing a bit of guesswork on how the competition’s future products might improve — a process called “futuring.” You have to make some assumptions about how everyone else’s products are going to get better in the years it takes to bring a new car to market and make sure your product is as good or better than that. You don’t want to get into a situation where your new car is just as good as what your competition had four years earlier.
Once the engineers find a tire submission that meets (or even exceeds) the vehicle targets, that submission will be released for production. Since so much work has gone into choosing the right tire construction for a particular car, it is almost always advisable to replace your car’s tires with the same ones it came with. Round and black is not sufficient. All tires are absolutely NOT the same and choosing a non-OEM specified tire can have significant effects on the ride and handling of your car. It can also have a very strong effect on steering feel.

The tuning of the tire and the tuning of the steering system go hand-in-hand, as the rubber plays a big role in communicating the steering feel the manufacturer wants. That great steering feel and handling confidence your BMW 3 Series has can quickly disappear if you put some generic aftermarket tire on it. More importantly though, if the replacement tires don’t have the same amount of traction as the OEM tires, you could increase your stopping distances and hurt braking performance. Replace your car’s tires with the same brand and model it came with and you will likely be much happier in the long run."

I didn’t miss anything. I also don’t believe that Scout as a new manufacturer can afford a special KO3 just for their vehicle.

Ford has been running the BFG KO2 on their Raptors for years. They run a Load C tire be because it helps with a softer ride. While the KO2 was still being manufactured, I could go to the local tire shop and buy that exact tire. Chevy does the same thing on their ZR2’s, and Ram does it on the Power Wagon, RHO, and the TRX.

Yes, manufacturers can get a discount on for tires they put on a vehicle when sold new at the dealership, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get the same tire if you want.
 
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I didn’t miss anything. I also don’t believe that Scout as a new manufacturer can afford a special KO3 just for their vehicle.

Ford has been running the BFG KO2 on their Raptors for years. They run a Load C tire be because it helps with a softer ride. While the KO2 was still being manufactured, I could go to the local tire shop and buy that exact tire. Chevy does the same thing on their ZR2’s, and Ram does it on the Power Wagon, RHO, and the TRX.

Yes, manufacturers can get a discount on for tires they put on a vehicle when sold new at the dealership, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get the same tire if you want.
You may think it’s the same tire, but it is a strong possibility that it isn’t.

This is a standard practice amongst all auto manufacturers.

Unless Jamie can explicitly confirm they will be using the same off the shelf tires you can but at Discount Tire, it’s safe to assume they will spec their own compound and construction.
 
You may think it’s the same tire, but it is a strong possibility that it isn’t.

This is a standard practice amongst all auto manufacturers.

Unless Jamie can explicitly confirm they will be using the same off the shelf tires you can but at Discount Tire, it’s safe to assume they will spec their own compound and construction.
I didn’t even realize this was a thing but now that you mention it back in the early 90s we had a Ford Escort GT. When it needed tires I called a tire place and the guy asked if I was sitting down. I said no why? They were a Goodyear tire but it was an odd size specifically made for that car. Goodyear was the only one that made that size. The cost was going to be $1500, at the time he told me more expensive than tires on a BMW. We went slightly smaller and just knew the speedometer was off. Ridiculous.
 
The BFG K02 37s that come on the Raptors were developed specifically for Ford and those vehicles. It’s a C rated tire that is skinnier and lighter than their regular D rated 37. It has some compromises, but people run them on other vehicles as well because of their low weight and cushy ride.
 
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The BFG K02 37s that come on the Raptors were developed specifically for Ford and those vehicles. It’s a C rated tire that is skinnier and lighter than their regular D rated 37. It has some compromises, but people run them on other vehicles as well because of their low weight and cushy ride.
So what you all are telling me is I need to do more research on my tires. 🤦‍♀️
 
I'll run whatver the stock A/Ts on the Scout for 6 months.
Then Swap to these for the other 6 months (Hakka LT3)
Nokian Hakka is 100% the best severe service winter truck tire there is, and the LT3 should be just about perfect on a Scout.


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Another vote for running Nokians in the snow belt!

I've gone with their ATs in between those from Hankook, General, and BFG. The latest version--the Outpost--is probably the best AT I've ever run.

But a BEV/EREV is a horse of another color. So I'll keep an open mind toward whatever comes with Scout's offroad package. 🍻
 
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Agreed with everything here.

And while strange, it is common to have a non-standard version of a tire for use as the OEM tire on a specific vehicle. The Cybertruck was one of those as well IIRC. Something about it being a normal tire, but with already-reduced tread depth for better mileage? Either way, its surprisingly common.

I do hope that we get these options from the factory:
  • "burly" All Season Tires
    • Likely the best choice if you don't think you'll ever really go off of pavement (or gravel).
  • "On Road" Biased All Terrain Tires
    • A good choice if you predominantly drive on pavement, but do actually venture off pavement enough to pay the efficiency hit. I'd call these the "I drive on lots of crappy forest service roads, but don't do "trails" with the vehicle tire.
  • "Off road" Biased All Terrain Tires
    • You actually offroad/take it on trails with some regularity. You want the grip, and durability of real AT tires.

I'd probably be most interested in the "on road" biased AT tires. Because while I do actually get off pavement, since I'm not doing "trail riding at the moment, the on road biased AT's are probably my jam.

My Jeep has a set of Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT's that fit the bill pretty well (and are actually quite quiet for what they are, way quieter than the Duratracks I had on them before), but I'm not set on them at all. But would probably want something in the same realm as them as my preferred tired. But the BFG AT3 is great as well, and I wouldn't be unhappy with that.

Example of "on road" biased AT tire.

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