Actual delay official and order of deliveries confirmed?

[Gottesacker]

The Jay Leno interview was with the ceo i doubt it was BS. Keep in mind the whole design of the Scout vehicles is based around off road adventure. Off road adventure usually means an articulating off-road hitch. This means almost all 1/2 ton trucks are not rated much more then 5,000 gwr to (500 lb tongue weight rating) without a wdh. Wdh generally do not work off-road. Then with the Harvester they plan is to put and ice engine and gas tank south of rear axel. This is going to limit towing capacity. People should just realize the Harvester models are not going to be able to tow heavy trailers.

My point was more that, even if that was the current working number they absolutely had to know that wasn’t going to fly. I don’t want a full-size truck that can barely tow more than a compact Maverick. Nobody wants that. Regardless of it being designed as more of an off-road rig most of these will never see much beyond a dirt road and we all know it. Of course, most people probably won’t tow or haul either, so hell the ratings probably mean very little anyhow, lol.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

My point was more that, even if that was the current working number they absolutely had to know that wasn’t going to fly. I don’t want a full-size truck that can barely tow more than a compact Maverick. Nobody wants that. Regardless of it being designed as more of an off-road rig most of these will never see much beyond a dirt road and we all know it. Of course, most people probably won’t tow or haul either, so hell the ratings probably mean very little anyhow, lol.

You’re 100% correct here. The Terra Harvester needs to be able to tow at least 8,000lbs or it’s kind of a failure.

 

[Gottesacker]

You’re 100% correct here. The Terra Harvester needs to be able to tow at least 8,000lbs or it’s kind of a failure.

If it’s not going to be able to do as much as the BEV then I guess that’s the trade-off for the longer distances, but half the towing just immediately stuck out to me as no-go. They’d see those reservation numbers mostly disappear rather than convert I think.

I think I would go ahead and convert to BEV, but I still want to see all the final specifications and everything before that decision is made one-way or the other. I can see a lot of people not converting over though, just as much as the ones not wanting to go from BEV to Harvester.

 

[cyure]

If it’s not going to be able to do as much as the BEV then I guess that’s the trade-off for the longer distances, but half the towing just immediately stuck out to me as no-go. They’d see those reservation numbers mostly disappear rather than convert I think.

I think I would go ahead and convert to BEV, but I still want to see all the final specifications and everything before that decision is made one-way or the other. I can see a lot of people not converting over though, just as much as the ones not wanting to go from BEV to Harvester.

I’m hoping we get the specs for the BEV and the EREV at the same time so people can compare.

 

[Gottesacker]

I’m hoping we get the specs for the BEV and the EREV at the same time so people can compare.

Me too, I’m thinking they will. At least hoping the will.

 

[strider]

Yeah, they’re very selectively whiny, and then when they embrace something, it’s kind of baffling to me that they embrace something for the same reasons they reject something else. Case in point: they hated the Buzz, but loved the electric Fiat? They loved a little tiny shitty overpriced EV made out of mothwings and beetle shells held together with flour and water paste because they got a good price on the lease? Tell me that wasn’t a loaded call.

Don’t get me wrong: aesthetically, the Fiat is cute (I love the rose gold color that they offered), but it is not a great pick. There’s not a great option for a little (compact) EV right now in MY 2026.

While cuteness is in the eye of the beholder, the Chevy Bolt is a fantastic compact EV. Proven tech, reliable, solid range, and a good price.

 

[UpNorthKell]

The EREV vs BEV debate on this forum is sort of like the 75mm vs NTN debate on the telemark forums I follow (Free Your Heel, Ski for Real!). I guess every tribe eventually grows into multiple camps.

I imagine that when the Venn diagram of "Scout Enthusiasts" and "Decarbonation Supporters" is drawn, there will be a substantial intersection with relatively narrower bands outside the intersection. That's fine, that's cool. While we wait for 2028 to arrive, I found this podcast to be very interesting: https://www.volts.wtf/p/the-fate-of-fossil-fuel-systems-in It goes deep on a recently published study of how we all mostly imagine a graph indicating electrification to be going slowly, steadily up, while fossil fuel usage is slowly, steadily going down. More than likely, it won't happen like that. The transition will be lumpy. It will be inefficient. It will likely cost everyone more time and treasure than it should.

So, if you want to drive your first (new) Scout for 20 years, then get a BEV because eventually it will be harder and harder to find a gas station and you'll be carting around a tank and an engine it will be hard to find fuel for. But, if you are like most Americans and will probably buy your second (new) Scout within about 5-10 years of your first, you'll probably be OK starting with an EREV and then switching to a BEV.

What would be super cool is if Scout Motors designed a retrofit system that could allow for a Gen 1 EREV to be retrofitted to full BEV one day. Maybe by then, we'll have super capacity solid state batteries and it will just be a matter of removing the engine and hooking the leads to a new controller sitting on top of a battery pack that is also connected to a battery pack that replaced the fuel tank. (Although, let's face it, probably easier and more profitable to sell customers a new car than a retrofit kit).

Well put and not to get off topic too far…
To me the error is coming to market with a BEV with less than 500 miles of range which I suspect will be more common in the market by 28/29. If Scout solved that I would and expect many others would join me and opt out of EREV and go BEV. To me 500 miles on charge is the magic number along with the faster charging that is also becoming common. If BMW can do this along with others in 26 I can’t imagine why Scout won’t be able to accomplish this two years from now. Maybe that’s the strategy that’s not being shared or talked about, delay the BEV until it has greater range and not take away from the profit of the earlier launch in EREV, spitballing.

I’m going to have to rethink my original deposit for the Terra Harvester, I’ll wait for the 500 mile BEV option and not think about gas in a vehicle again.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

I guess every tribe eventually grows into multiple camps.

Yeah, it seems to be in our DNA going back millions of years - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...t-split-ever-seen-among-their-kind-180988527/

I suppose as long as we all agree about physical door handles and the importance of PBY as a color option, we can all get along…

 

[cyure]

Yeah, it seems to be in our DNA going back millions of years - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...t-split-ever-seen-among-their-kind-180988527/

I suppose as long as we all agree about physical door handles and the importance of PBY as a color option, we can all get along…

Those two things are truly the most important. The best color and being able to exit the vehicle quickly in case of an accident with our physical door handles.

 

[J Alynn]

Those two things are truly the most important. The best color and being able to exit the vehicle quickly in case of an accident with our physical door handles.

It’s funny. Having spent 4 days in College Ststion Texas last weekend I think I know where 60% of all Broncos were shipped to. Having seen probably 100 broncos in 4 days (I’m not exaggerating) I think I’ve lost interest in PBY. It was the color of our scout I drove at 16 and I liked it but I found I liked the medium to darker shades on the Broncos more than the lighter. Really struggling on the PBY right now. From the get go with SM I wanted a pale butter color but assuming they make one I may have to really think about it.

 

[Mousehunter]

If you saw 100 Broncos - I don't want to guess the number of Jeeps you saw. Of course, Aggies might be smart enough not to buy Stellantis. Austin is definitely full of Jeeps. I was surprised they did not litter San Marcos as much (Texas State I guess now, while it will always be Southwest Texas to me).

 

[cyure]

It’s funny. Having spent 4 days in College Ststion Texas last weekend I think I know where 60% of all Broncos were shipped to. Having seen probably 100 broncos in 4 days (I’m not exaggerating) I think I’ve lost interest in PBY. It was the color of our scout I drove at 16 and I liked it but I found I liked the medium to darker shades on the Broncos more than the lighter. Really struggling on the PBY right now. From the get go with SM I wanted a pale butter color but assuming they make one I may have to really think about it.

Well now I have to see what you are talking about. Picture please.

 

[J Alynn]

If you saw 100 Broncos - I don't want to guess the number of Jeeps you saw. Of course, Aggies might be smart enough not to buy Stellantis. Austin is definitely full of Jeeps. I was surprised they did not litter San Marcos as much (Texas State I guess now, while it will always be Southwest Texas to me).

A lot of Wranglers too but they fade away to me a bit where as the Broncos still catch my eye because I miss ours. And I’m sure you can imagine-only half seemed stock, rest were modded out. One of the coolest was a white Bronco with what seemed like a transparent pink iridescent wrap-it was dark when we saw it and very feminine as it was very pale but the effect was killer good. I think there were 4, maybe 5 broncos just at my daughter’s apartment complex. They seem to be a dime a dozen there. It became our running joke…hey look-another Bronco.

 

[J Alynn]

Well now I have to see what you are talking about. Picture please.

If you mean pic of our Scout I don’t have any unfortunately-if something else-please clarify

 

[cyure]

If you mean pic of our Scout I don’t have any unfortunately-if something else-please clarify

I wish you did!

But I meant A picture of the yellow you are talking about on the Broncos. Did I understand that correctly that you want a darker yellow like the Broncos have?

 

[J Alynn]

I wish you did!

But I meant A picture of the yellow you are talking about on the Broncos. Did I understand that correctly that you want a darker yellow like the Broncos have?

Sorry. No yellow broncos, just a bunch of the desert tan, white and surprisingly a lot of silver and I just tend to be drawn to darker shades

 

[Gottesacker]

A lot of Wranglers too but they fade away to me a bit where as the Broncos still catch my eye because I miss ours. And I’m sure you can imagine-only half seemed stock, rest were modded out. One of the coolest was a white Bronco with what seemed like a transparent pink iridescent wrap-it was dark when we saw it and very feminine as it was very pale but the effect was killer good. I think there were 4, maybe 5 broncos just at my daughter’s apartment complex. They seem to be a dime a dozen there. It became our running joke…hey look-another Bronco.

I'm in the south Houston area, and my wife works a job where there's a lot of traffic from Moms and older teen girls. It seems Broncos are the de-facto choice for these girls I swear.

 

[J Alynn]

I'm in the south Houston area, and my wife works a job where there's a lot of traffic from Moms and older teen girls. It seems Broncos are the de-facto choice for these girls I swear.

Yes. I’d say 60-70% were female drivers and many of theirs were lifted on wheels. Nothing like college girls driving $65K modded broncos

 

[Gottesacker]

Yes. I’d say 60-70% were female drivers and many of theirs were lifted on wheels. Nothing like college girls driving $65K modded broncos

I mentioned this to her and she reminded me she had a teenage girl that worked for her that drove a new Bronco. Wild choices these parents are making, I swear.

 

[strider]

Well put and not to get off topic too far…
To me the error is coming to market with a BEV with less than 500 miles of range which I suspect will be more common in the market by 28/29. If Scout solved that I would and expect many others would join me and opt out of EREV and go BEV. To me 500 miles on charge is the magic number along with the faster charging that is also becoming common. If BMW can do this along with others in 26 I can’t imagine why Scout won’t be able to accomplish this two years from now. Maybe that’s the strategy that’s not being shared or talked about, delay the BEV until it has greater range and not take away from the profit of the earlier launch in EREV, spitballing.

I’m going to have to rethink my original deposit for the Terra Harvester, I’ll wait for the 500 mile BEV option and not think about gas in a vehicle again.

There are no 500-mile EPA range vehicles on the horizon. For the iX3, BMW is claiming 500 miles WLTP which is 400 miles EPA. While that is impressive, the iX3 is a compact SUV. It would take a large battery (which means large cost) to push a full size SUV or pickup 400 miles - this is just physics..... But if you need that (and are willing to pay for it), the Silverado EV is available today and has that kind of range.

Further, except for a tiny number of people that tow long distances often, it just doesn't make sense to haul that much battery around. Witness the poor sales of said Silverado EV. People don't want to pay for the extra range. For the few trips per year that most people do that go beyond their vehicle's range, they can just charge more often. IF that is not an option for you, then Harvester is a good choice.