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BeerParty said:
Some things to keep in mind
  • Scout has not provided official towing numbers for the Harvester configuration, the 5,000 number was speculative from the Jay Leno video. The official word from Scout representatives is that total towing capacity for the Harvester (for both Traveler and Terra) is still TBD.
  • The reason for the lower tow rating has nothing to do with battery chemistry. That was speculation from a member that has no factual basis. The only thing we know about the battery in the Harvester is that they have changed the battery location in the Harvester setup to move the battery forward to help with weight distribution.*
  • They have not said which of vehicles will be released first. There is no statement from Scout about the BEV or the EREV coming out first, and we likely will not be told anything official until much closer to release. The story that the EREV was coming out first was some YouTuber that was talking about the RAM BEV being cancelled in favor of the EREV, and they made a wild ass guess that Scout Motors would do the same thing.
* This info was provided in a thread that was discussing the tow capacity. My theory is that the original design of the Harvester had the battery rear of center (just in front of the rear axle) with the gas tank forward (just behind the front axle) to help balance the weight. They discovered this adversely impacted the maximum tongue weight which directly reduces the total towing capacity. Jamie mentioned that they have updated the Harvester layout to put the battery forward and fuel tank behind it. I would bet that part of the reason for this is to improve the towing capacity. If this is the case, it was weight distribution that was impacting the total tow rating for the Harvester.
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Great job providing that info. Was well written
 
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SpaceEVDriver said:
As @BeerParty notes, they have done some geometry adjustments and given that it sounds like they’ve decided to put the Harvester forward of the rear axle, that pretty much solves the issue of tongue weight.
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Just to be clear - the message I saw said they were putting the gas tank for the Harvester EREV further to the rear (behind the battery) in the center section of the vehicle. I have not heard anything about them changing the location of the engine (generator). I have seen conflicting info about where the engine is going to be. I have seen reliable sources say the engine will be "in front of", "above", and "behind" the rear axle.
 
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BeerParty said:
Just to be clear - the message I saw said they were putting the gas tank for the Harvester EREV further to the rear (behind the battery) in the center section of the vehicle. I have not heard anything about them changing the location of the engine (generator). I have seen conflicting info about where the engine is going to be. I have seen reliable sources say the engine will be "in front of", "above", and "behind" the rear axle.
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I thought I saw something from a SM employee on here recently that the Harvester would be forward of the rear axle with the battery shifted forward and the fuel tank shifted to the rear. But I could easily could be misremembering or misinterpreting.
 
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SpaceEVDriver said:
I thought I saw something from a SM employee on here recently that the Harvester would be forward of the rear axle with the battery shifted forward and the fuel tank shifted to the rear. But I could easily could be misremembering or misinterpreting.
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It would be @Jamie@ScoutMotors He’s the one who posts that kind of stuff. I don’t pay as much attention to towing things since I don’t tow so I don’t remember.
 
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BeerParty said:
Some things to keep in mind
  • Scout has not provided official towing numbers for the Harvester configuration, the 5,000 number was speculative from the Jay Leno video. The official word from Scout representatives is that total towing capacity for the Harvester (for both Traveler and Terra) is still TBD.
  • The reason for the lower tow rating has nothing to do with battery chemistry. That was speculation from a member that has no factual basis. The only thing we know about the battery in the Harvester is that they have changed the battery location in the Harvester setup to move the battery forward to help with weight distribution.*
  • They have not said which of vehicles will be released first. There is no statement from Scout about the BEV or the EREV coming out first, and we likely will not be told anything official until much closer to release. The story that the EREV was coming out first was some YouTuber that was talking about the RAM BEV being cancelled in favor of the EREV, and they made a wild ass guess that Scout Motors would do the same thing.
* This info was provided in a thread that was discussing the tow capacity. My theory is that the original design of the Harvester had the battery rear of center (just in front of the rear axle) with the gas tank forward (just behind the front axle) to help balance the weight. They discovered this adversely impacted the maximum tongue weight which directly reduces the total towing capacity. Jamie mentioned that they have updated the Harvester layout to put the battery forward and fuel tank behind it. I would bet that part of the reason for this is to improve the towing capacity. If this is the case, it was weight distribution that was impacting the total tow rating for the Harvester.
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BeerParty, interestingly enough, when I have theoretical conversations with any AI chatbot of your choosing, the answer is almost always the same - It is the batteries. LFP batteries are less capable for delivering "power bursts" - i.e., the high instantaneous torque or power needed for heavy towing. I'm guessing Scout cannot solve this, just like any other truck EV manufacturer. Also this bit of info from AI conversation -
Compared with higher-energy-density chemistries (like NMC / NCA / NMCA), LFP typically offers lower energy density per weight/volume.
That means to get the same range (or enough power reserve for heavy towing), an LFP-based pack needs to be larger/heavier — which can impose design compromises (weight, space, cost) especially on consumer-truck platforms. As a result, many high-towing modern EV trucks still use nickel-based chemistries (NMC or variants) to balance energy density, power output, and towing performance. /// So, for now - I'm confident in my decision to switch to BEV Scout. I want a real capable truck, not a Hyundai Santa Cruz capable truck. Apologies if anyone here owns one of those. :p
 
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