3rd row option
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Scott has spoken in interviews about the 3rd row potentially being the next model. The consensus around here is that someday there will be a “Travelall”. As it stands the Traveler won’t have a 3rd row. Having seen the Traveler in person it would be a little back seat.
One thing to keep in mind, is that the Traveller is actually not all that long. Its OAL WITHOUT the tire carrier, is like 191in. Its actually not that long.
Thats smaller than the Vanilla Toyota Highlander (ie, not the newer larger Grand Highlander), which has an overall length of ~195in. And the Highlander is not exactly known for its rear seat legroom, at 28in.
The Tesla Model Y is also available with a third row, and is a bit smaller than the the size of the Traveler, at 187in. It has a third row, with 26.5in of legroom. And AFAIK, its one of the smallest vehicles in the US, with a third row.
For reference, this is what the rear seat looks like in the Model Y.
This guy is 6'3" (unfair, I know). I don't think the middle seat is all the way back either. But he does have his wife who is 5'3" who also jumps in there.
This one shows a couple of kids. Ranging from 4ft tall exactly, up through 5'4" and 5'8".
Here is the 4ft tall kid, behind the middle row. Plenty of space for the kid. But 5'8" kid hit the ceiling with his head, and back of seats with his knees, at the same time (I know the headroom statement isn't relevant to the traveler, but just saying, its a small space).
So, for a useable third row, I think that the Travelall in the future will much preferred. But, I could be on board with some "emergency jump seats" for the traveller. As mentioned, they could work for small kids (maybe 10yrs old or younger). But I'd worry about any actual adults fitting in the vehicle.
I've actually got a friend with a Model Y 7 seater (they just got it). I may ask to sit in it the next time I see them, just to see how it fits, for giggles.
For context, my 7yr old is about 4'4" last I checked, and my 10yr old is like 4'9", and I'd be worried about them fitting in the model Y size backseat for much longer. Our current vehicle has 32in of rear legroom, which is more than enough for them, but the Model Y is a solid 7.5in less legroom than what we have.
One potential complication, is that the underfloor storage area of the Traveler, is likely already pretty heavily utilized. Remember there is the harvester (the gas engine), the spare tire, already supposed to be in there somewhere. So I wonder if there would even be enough space to "eat into the floor" space to have them fold down.
We actually have a honda pilot that is slightly longer-almost 200” and the third row sucks for seating space. I think the Travelall is the solution. I think most people would select a 3rd row in the traveler then realize it’s useless, rarely use it and simply complain it is too small. I get there are life phases especially with kids where 3-row is awesome but I just don’t think it’s worth it for this vehicle. The Travelall will satisfy those wanting a useable 3rd row
Agreed.
Our Ioniq 9 is almost identically sized to the pilot you’ve got (199.8in or something like that). The third row on it is tighter than a suburban, or minivan, but it’s actually pretty good.
But you’re right, while the threshold for what is “acceptable” depends a bit on the people involved (age, size, weight). It does seem though that things that are “comfortable” for 7 people are typically over 200inches long. Which basically means minivans, vans, and suburban sized SUV’s.
Also want to call out how much packaging of the vehicle can effect stuff. The Ioniq 9 we have has an overall length that is 3inches or so LESS than the Mazda CX90 (another vehicle we looked at). Yet inside it had a few more inches of total legroom, than the Mazda, and 7cubic ft more of storage behind the rear seats (14.9 vs the ioniqs 21.9).
Anyway. I stand behind what I said before. I think the traveler is a smidge small for 3 rows, but some “emergency” use ones could work . For context the new Hyundai Santa Fe has 3 rows, and is almost identically sized in length, and makes it work.
But for people regularly using/wanting comfortable 3 rows, a larger vehicle like the travelall would be a much better choice.
So... when I look into buying a vehicle, I get very nerdy and data heavy.
I dug into my old photos, and found these.
And here is when we test-sat in the Ioniq 9 the first time.
This is me sitting "behind myself" (Meaning, me sitting in the second row as a 6'1" man, behind my own preferred driving position), while adjusted to have enough space for my wife sitting behind me comfortably.
And my wifes kneeroom at the same moment (She's 5'6").
And this is a ~200in long vehicle. The Traveller is 9inches shorter in OAL.
Oh, and for fun, this is what the storage space of the 2025 Hyundai Santa Fe looks like with the third row up. I mention it because it is nearly identical in size to the Traveler in length (190.2in). It has 12.6 cubic ft of cargo room with the seats up, and it barely fit 4 "carryon" sized bags, one of which was a smallerish duffle.
This is what I mean by "emergency use" third row. Its fine for kids, or around town trips. But for any trips of length with 6-7 people, you'd have no room to put your gear (unless you used a rooftop carrier, or hitch carrier, or a trailer).
I dug into my old photos, and found these.
And here is when we test-sat in the Ioniq 9 the first time.
This is me sitting "behind myself" (Meaning, me sitting in the second row as a 6'1" man, behind my own preferred driving position), while adjusted to have enough space for my wife sitting behind me comfortably.
And my wifes kneeroom at the same moment (She's 5'6").
And this is a ~200in long vehicle. The Traveller is 9inches shorter in OAL.
Oh, and for fun, this is what the storage space of the 2025 Hyundai Santa Fe looks like with the third row up. I mention it because it is nearly identical in size to the Traveler in length (190.2in). It has 12.6 cubic ft of cargo room with the seats up, and it barely fit 4 "carryon" sized bags, one of which was a smallerish duffle.
This is what I mean by "emergency use" third row. Its fine for kids, or around town trips. But for any trips of length with 6-7 people, you'd have no room to put your gear (unless you used a rooftop carrier, or hitch carrier, or a trailer).
One bit of bonus for the Scout is that its frunk should be big enough to hold some of that luggage.
I keep forgetting I will have a frunk. I’m really excited about that. Any possibility the BEV will have a compartment in the back that will open up since there’s no Harvester engine taking up space?
Ooh, good point. I always forget that.
In fact, the Frunk is likely to be at least as big as that trunk area in the Santa Fe, as its likely to be similar sized to the Lightning frunk. Which is like 14 cubic ft.
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