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J Alynn said:
Except that request-needs a better name-color good, name bad-maybe one of these as a farm-like name
DARK SAGE or JUNIPER SHADOW (formally known as Prince, I mean CSG). Asked Gemini and liked the Juniper Shadow name
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ok - I agree...

I was just trying to follow the butter lady with a three-name-color...

:)
 
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dsoul79 said:
I'm sure it's in here somewhere.

No REQUIRED subscriptions! If I pay for an option once let me have it!

Same for ability to do updates etc. Let me connect to my home wifi for this or my phone hotspot. I don't need another hotspot service running from the vehicle that I need to pay for
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I've got to agree with you.
Especially when it comes to things like GPS maps that should just be an automatic update. I understand if you go to another country and you are trying to update the maps overseas, and we need to change the language. But I want time charge should be sufficient.
Also, the connectivity, as you were saying in a home link, like opening a garage door, turning on lights. There should be no reason to be paying for it over and over again in a vehicle, you have already purchased.
 
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cyure said:
PBY!!!
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Good old Peanut Butter Yellow.

(I know, I know. But even after all this time, I still see that first)

(I might be broken in some way :P).

To the OP's point though, I also don't want required subscriptions. Obviously things like the heated seat fiasco come to mind (with BMW).

But also, keeping "forever" access to the app/remote control for the vehicle is a big deal.

My Hyundai Tucson (2022 PHEV) came with bluelink access, but it was a "3 year trial", so I never used it, even though it could do things like lock the car (or check its lock), remote start, etc.

My Ioniq 9 is the first Hyundai vehicle to come with lifetime access to bluelink for the first owner of the car. And as such, I use it a lot more. And for an EV, I'd wager its more important/useful. Particularly for checking what the state of charge of the car is, while you're away from the vehicle (ie the "laying in bed at night and thinking 'oh wait, do I need to plug the car in tonight' sort of thoughts). But also for remote starting the heat after a 45f rainy soccer game, or seeing how much battery is left while you've got it in V2L mode, or stuff like that.

So yeah, lets make sure that sort of stuff isn't a secondary subscription.
 
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Logan said:
Good old Peanut Butter Yellow.

(I know, I know. But even after all this time, I still see that first)

(I might be broken in some way :P).

To the OP's point though, I also don't want required subscriptions. Obviously things like the heated seat fiasco come to mind (with BMW).

But also, keeping "forever" access to the app/remote control for the vehicle is a big deal.

My Hyundai Tucson (2022 PHEV) came with bluelink access, but it was a "3 year trial", so I never used it, even though it could do things like lock the car (or check its lock), remote start, etc.

My Ioniq 9 is the first Hyundai vehicle to come with lifetime access to bluelink for the first owner of the car. And as such, I use it a lot more. And for an EV, I'd wager its more important/useful. Particularly for checking what the state of charge of the car is, while you're away from the vehicle (ie the "laying in bed at night and thinking 'oh wait, do I need to plug the car in tonight' sort of thoughts). But also for remote starting the heat after a 45f rainy soccer game, or seeing how much battery is left while you've got it in V2L mode, or stuff like that.

So yeah, lets make sure that sort of stuff isn't a secondary subscription.
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The app is a tough one for me. If the manufacturer has to keep updating apps to be compliant with a new phones, etc, I'd expect to pay a fee for that. It gets complicated if they're promising OTA updates for the vehicle though as I'd expect the app to be free as long as those updates are coming in. At what point does the vehicle become an unsupported legacy product. I'd also like to know how long I should expect updates.
 
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speedrye said:
The app is a tough one for me. If the manufacturer has to keep updating apps to be compliant with a new phones, etc, I'd expect to pay a fee for that. It gets complicated if they're promising OTA updates for the vehicle though as I'd expect the app to be free as long as those updates are coming in. At what point does the vehicle become an unsupported legacy product. I'd also like to know how long I should expect updates.
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The legacy support part is definitely a consideration, I totally get that.

Even worse when you consider things like what happened when 3g support was yanked by carriers.

Updates for new phones/standards, is a tricky subject.

If push came to shove, I think I would probably rather pay a one time fee to upgrade to a new app if I got a new phone that was somehow unsupported, than a subscription all the time, to pay for the same thing (especially if I didn't have the new phone/technology/whatever).
 
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