Regenerative braking

[Scoutons86]

Kind of niche, but Please make the regenerative braking be able to be turned off completely, my Volvo has this feature and it’s great.

Mainly for my wife who gets super car sick and who will never just get used to it.

 

[J Alynn]

I have never had paddles. My ICE cars have been manual shift (1985 Nissan pickup, 2000 TJ, 2003 WRX, 2006 Corvette) or regular automatics (2007 WK Diesel). That being said, I understand their use in an ICE that has a transmission to shift gears. But... EVs don't have gears. This is bewildering to me. I do get @Logan's comment that it gives them something to do (increases engagement) as long as we are all clear that it is a gimmick designed to mimic an ICE car and doesn't have an actual purpose in an EV.

The beauty of an EV is it's simplicity. You have all available power and all available regen on the accelerator- if you want to go faster, push the right pedal more, if you want to go slower, push the right pedal less.

I understand and while I don’t disagree I think there is a a mental connection to downshifting to slow the vehicle down, so from that point of view I understand the point and would say part of me prefers that. I’ll also give a personal experience with it. Had a performance Acura in automatic with shifters. Blew by a cop and first instinct was paddle shift immediately to avoid brake lights. No brake lights made it impossible for cop to argue I was speeding and by the time he pulled out I had dropped 3 gears and was at the speed limit. No ticket (fortunately). So I think of shifters as an alternative “brake” peddle.

 

[strider]

I understand and while I don’t disagree I think there is a a mental connection to downshifting to slow the vehicle down, so from that point of view I understand the point and would say part of me prefers that. I’ll also give a personal experience with it. Had a performance Acura in automatic with shifters. Blew by a cop and first instinct was paddle shift immediately to avoid brake lights. No brake lights made it impossible for cop to argue I was speeding and by the time he pulled out I had dropped 3 gears and was at the speed limit. No ticket (fortunately). So I think of shifters as an alternative “brake” peddle.

I do get the muscle memory aspect of it in that it mimics an ICE, but unlike an ICE it is not doing anything mechanical - just so everyone's cool with that.

Unfortunately, you won't be able to repeat your Acura trick with the Scout - all electrics use a deceleration rate threshold at which point they activate the brake lights, regardless of whether the brake pedal was pressed.

 

[J Alynn]

I do get the muscle memory aspect of it in that it mimics an ICE, but unlike an ICE it is not doing anything mechanical - just so everyone's cool with that.

Unfortunately, you won't be able to repeat your Acura trick with the Scout - all electrics use a deceleration rate threshold at which point they activate the brake lights, regardless of whether the brake pedal was pressed.

Thanks for that insight. Hadn’t thought about that

 

[Logan]

I do get the muscle memory aspect of it in that it mimics an ICE, but unlike an ICE it is not doing anything mechanical - just so everyone's cool with that.

Unfortunately, you won't be able to repeat your Acura trick with the Scout - all electrics use a deceleration rate threshold at which point they activate the brake lights, regardless of whether the brake pedal was pressed.

Yep. On both points.

Although, not that there is anything objectively wrong with either mimicking a gas cars driving dynamics (the Ioniq 5 N seems to get good reviews from that perspective), or catering to muscle memory (again gas cars, but also why we haven't changed from QWERTY keyboards to something more efficient, despite no longer being tied to mechanical typewriter constraints).

And yeah, its a good thing to have brake lights on enough regen. So the example use case won't work on EV's.

 

[RodorW]

Not fully related, but the mention of brake lights reminded me, Gen 1 Bolts would turn off the lights after a full stop (or below a certain force), but hold the car in place