Mechanical locking 4x4 over automatic

[Xlargetophat]

Okay well if they aren’t? Then what? I went to Nats and saw the concepts and they are gorgeous. I’m all in. And I asked how close they are to production. I was informed they are 85% of what the production Scouts will be. So we can expect some changes but I highly doubt they are going to make a vehicle with the technology they are putting into it and then throw manual old school lockers on it.

So if the Terra is what it is today with only 15% changed and no manual lockers do you buy one?

I'll buy one but 10-15 years later I'll have to buy a 4x4 shift module/motor apprehensively. I own a rain jacket and gloves.. boots.. things like that. I paid for already.

 

[R1TVT]

Why be offensive to women in your posts? Might be worth noting the tenor of your non-sequitur comments. Know your audience!

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[Cherrios111]

Hummm, the last manual locking hubs I had was on my ‘85 F250. Although it was quite capable, I do not miss getting out of the cab in the rain, snow and mud just to lock up. I did it then because that is all we had at the time. Fast forward a couple of decades or more and I am so used to auto-locking or switch activated locking that I am not sure I want to go back to 100% stepping in mud or surprisingly caught without traction because of manual locking hubs.

Now with that in mind, I hate ABS so I generally rig bypasses to get the brakes back to basics, but I would not do that with an EV. Again, hummmm as I am contradicting myself or the OP. Personally though, thanks for the OPs original insight from AI but I will stick with what Scout has designed.

Sorry OP, I think I got off track on the original post

 

[TreeKiller]

Why does Scout need locking hubs at all? There are dual motors and locking differentials, front and rear, that will default to open (unless I've missed something). There is no need for locking hubs, auto or manual.

This troll post makes no sense, but then again trolls and troll posts never do.

 

[Chuckles]

Well my neighbor is adamant on manual hubs because of vacuum leaks which engage it on ice vehicle... But electric means another electric motor.. which means more fail.. more expensive.. more depressing when it does fail.

There is a man principle at stake for manual engagement as well. Base model means base model on principle.

Manual hubs are a metaphor for anything on it mechanical. Rae earth motors add expense and are most likely brush motors. 200,000 mile failure rate.
Do you want to pay for electric hubs when they charge you for manual? We're talking base here.. the definition of base.

Farming is farming. The seasons come and go. A farmer farms regardless of economics. A good base wood hauler and what not to last the stretch. Not be riddled with mouse traps of repairs for quarterly report earnings.

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Providing precise mathematical data on the average number of days a person in Minnesota uses 4WD each year is difficult. Such statistics are not typically collected in a way that allows for a simple calculation. However, the situation can be analyzed using available data:
Analysis of mathematical data
Days with snow cover: Minnesota averages 110 days annually with at least 1 inch of snow cover.
Number of winter events: MnDOT crews clear snow and ice off highways during an average of 24 to 31 winter events statewide. These events can range from light snowfall to severe blizzards.
Frequency of bare lanes: MnDOT aims for 70% bare lanes after winter events and achieves around 84% frequency. This suggests that roads are often clear, limiting the need for 4WD.
Influence of tire choice: Dedicated winter tires improve traction on snow and ice, potentially reducing the need for 4WD, according to Nelson Personal Injury.
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110 days in Minnesota of 1 inch? LoL

We have a bunch of wussies. You can get out there and turn them hubs son. Don't get mad at me.. they're the ones charging you an inflated base price for something that's not base. Scout Motors doesn't have the balls to offer manual. Unfortunately

Clearly, we should be talking to your neighbor. In fact, I'm ready to elect them President of Trucks!
Also, a "base" model doesn't have to mean completely stripped.

 

[cyure]

Clearly, we should be talking to your neighbor. In fact, I'm ready to elect them President of Trucks!
Also, a "base" model doesn't have to mean completely stripped.

Technically doesn’t every car have a “base model”.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Why does Scout need locking hubs at all? There are dual motors and locking differentials, front and rear, that will default to open (unless I've missed something). There is no need for locking hubs, auto or manual.

This troll post makes no sense, but then again trolls and troll posts never do.

The only reason to have any sort of lock/unlock mechanism on an EV’s hubs is to enable flat towing behind an RV, etc. And that’s a fairly niche purpose. And it’s really unlocking/freewheeling that is desired. Would an option or an aftermarket solution be welcome by the small number of people who want to do this? Probably. But I wouldn’t buy a vehicle with any sort lock/unlock hubs.

As you say, it’s totally unnecessary for most EVs to have any kind of mechanism in the hubs.

 

[strider]

I'll buy one but 10-15 years later I'll have to buy a 4x4 shift module/motor apprehensively. I own a rain jacket and gloves.. boots.. things like that. I paid for already.

So just to follow on to what @TreeKiller and @SpaceEVDriver just said (and what I said a couple pages ago), your statement above is wrong. There is no shift motor in an 2+ motor EV so you will never need to buy one. There is no shift motor because there is no center diff. The hubs are always connected to the half shafts. The front motor is energized when needed, otherwise it freewheels. EVs are RADICALLY simpler than ICEs. There's no center diff, no transmission, lots of other things that break in ICEs don't exist in an EV.

What this means is that a modern Scout is MORE reliable than your neighbor's manual locking hubs as there is literally no mechanism (neither automatic nor manual) that can break.

Please, close your mouth and open your ears. Ask actual questions without prejudging the responses. Scout is bringing a lot of new people to the EV/EREV space and we welcome anyone that comes with genuine interest and honest questions.

 

[bwdavis7]

International harvester of old had manual, not sissy boy auto.

Well my 1979 International Scout has automatic locking hubs and for me it has been a great fit with no failures. As for the manuals, I have a true life story where a buddy of mine ran his 4x4 a little too deep into the lake one night. He crawled over onto the hood trying to reach his manual hubs underwater and not able to reach without taking a swim. I locked in my automatics and tugged him right out of that lake. The new Scout isn't for everyone, but it's hitting it out of the park for me so far.

 

[Chavannigans]

Did anyone else notice THil08 isnt in this thread? Hmmm

 

[Xlargetophat]

You guys are too hard on me. I'm sorry for that tennis post.. it just popped into my brain.

My neighbor thinks he's king crap because he bought manual locking hubs at O'Reilly Auto. He says anything electric is dog doodie. It will fail and when it does.. you will pay more. A money trap. A lever instead of an actuator motor is far more trusting. With electronics... Those relays... Switching.. is it the relay? Idk. Is it the $1000 module? $2000 module

But evs might last 2.5 million . The battery isn't the failure.. it's the mouse traps repairs.

The battery isn't the limiting factor

Let's see what Ford says August 11th.
Ford is probably going to rippoff Scout sales. There's a battle going on people.

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[R1TVT]

 

[strider]

You guys are too hard on me. I'm sorry for that tennis post.. it just popped into my brain.

My neighbor thinks he's king crap because he bought manual locking hubs at O'Reilly Auto. He says anything electric is dog doodie. It will fail and when it does.. you will pay more. A money trap. A lever instead of an actuator motor is far more trusting. With electronics... Those relays... Switching.. is it the relay? Idk. Is it the $1000 module? $2000 module

Ok so for the 3rd time. THE SCOUT WILL NOT HAVE UNLOCKING HUBS. THE HUBS ARE ALWAYS LOCKED. THEREFORE THEY WILL BE MORE RELIABLE THAN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S TRUCK BECAUSE THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING TO BREAK. THERE IS NO LEVER, NO RELAY, NO SWITCH, NO MODULE.

For Pete's sake. Please, just stop.

 

[Xlargetophat]

Nothing to break?
Let's see August 11th what Ford is going to offer. Remember they have dealerships. When the 4x4 doesn't work,? What ya gonna do brotha? $5000 Bill + will it be$10,000? Out on the farm out of warranty with a $10,000 bill.

 

[strider]

Nothing to break?
Let's see August 11th what Ford is going to offer. Remember they have dealerships. When the 4x4 doesn't work,? What ya gonna do brotha? $5000 Bill + will it be$10,000? Out on the farm out of warranty with a $10,000 bill.

You made post after post about how reliable manual locking hubs are and how unreliable and expensive automatic locking hub are. Scout will have neither of those things. Short of ripping the entire wheel hub off the truck, there is nothing to break.

But I'm tilting at windmills now. You've got it all figured out. I've only been driving EVs for the past 15 years. They are far and away more reliable than gas/diesel cars I've owned. My 2010 Tesla Roadster was trouble-free for 11 years. I did replace the brake rotors and pads to something more aggressive but that was personal preference. My wife's 2012 Model S had a drivetrain failure a few months after. But it was vehicle #1459, so very early in production. Other than that, the early design of the motorized door handles was poor so a few of those failed over the years. But drivetrain-wise it never needed anything until we traded it in on a new Model S in 2018. This one has not needed a single thing except tires and windshield wipers. I am only 3 years into my Model X ownership but it has also not needed anything except tires and windshield wipers.

 

[Xlargetophat]

3 year is out of warranty. The doom is coming. They can program obsolescence the failure. It's not like the ole shucks days of the past. The limiting factor is the mouse traps. 4x4 engagement is a fancy boy thing. You pay. It's not engine miles. Battery miles. Program obsolescence. You pay for luxury 4x4... You pay twice.. imo. Give me a lever to engage..or disengage.. not a programed obsolescence fancy boy lie.

Get you butt out and 4x4. Base

Mixed metal alloys. It is what it is.

Let's see what Ford says on the 11th

It's not about ice vs EV anymore. It's a mathematical failure rate. Evs win .. the remaining should be mechanical and repairable. You will pay for 4x4 son. It's a luxury item. They can engineer.. on off all day long. A strict on off at the hub is the gold vs BS $5000 control module.

My neighbor picked rock for 15 years.. he's seen the breakdowns... Vacuum lines.. ect.. for 10$/hour. Piss and vinegar he says

August 11 Ford might destroy Scout... Rugg swept out from under their feet.
Do you really think Ford is going to let this go? You pay to stay inside.

 

[J Alynn]

You made post after post about how reliable manual locking hubs are and how unreliable and expensive automatic locking hub are. Scout will have neither of those things. Short of ripping the entire wheel hub off the truck, there is nothing to break.

But I'm tilting at windmills now. You've got it all figured out. I've only been driving EVs for the past 15 years. They are far and away more reliable than gas/diesel cars I've owned. My 2010 Tesla Roadster was trouble-free for 11 years. I did replace the brake rotors and pads to something more aggressive but that was personal preference. My wife's 2012 Model S had a drivetrain failure a few months after. But it was vehicle #1459, so very early in production. Other than that, the early design of the motorized door handles was poor so a few of those failed over the years. But drivetrain-wise it never needed anything until we traded it in on a new Model S in 2018. This one has not needed a single thing except tires and windshield wipers. I am only 3 years into my Model X ownership but it has also not needed anything except tires and windshield wipers.

Thanks for words of wisdom

 

[J Alynn]

Ok so for the 3rd time. THE SCOUT WILL NOT HAVE UNLOCKING HUBS. THE HUBS ARE ALWAYS LOCKED. THEREFORE THEY WILL BE MORE RELIABLE THAN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S TRUCK BECAUSE THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING TO BREAK. THERE IS NO LEVER, NO RELAY, NO SWITCH, NO MODULE.

For Pete's sake. Please, just stop.

Perhaps we should just all block them then there is no audience and perhaps like children throwing a tantrum they will just fade away. And y’all know if I’m saying it I’m ready to pull my hair out

 

[J Alynn]

Perhaps we should just all block them then there is no audience and perhaps like children throwing a tantrum they will just fade away. And y’all know if I’m saying it I’m ready to pull my hair out

Wooo-Saaaa!

 

[bwdavis7]

I think I'll just automatically disengage.