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Hopefully they'll be able to put people to work pretty quickly as they start ramping up pre-production parts and pieces. The area is generally poor, so waiting until next year for a job will be a non-starter for someone living paycheck-to-paycheck.
Figured as much for what little I know of the area. Sleeper communities outside larger cities usually are a mix of that but either way, stepping up to try and build staffing while helping those less fortunate is a win-win for everybody
 
I like the look of the new Santa Fe. More I see it the more I like it
So interestingly the Santa Fe Hybrid has risen to the top of our ID.4 replacement list. I've driven a couple now and they're surprisingly nice. Good looks on the outside although the rear is funky but was done to maximize cargo space/door opening so I appreciate that. Interior has a premium feel inside with good ergonomics, nice screen, good software, and a nice mix of actual buttons for commonly used functions. I'd also add there are small details like a solid door closing sound, double glazed windows for soundproofing, and a ton of features that really make you question what value something more expensive like an XC90 really brings. IMO the drive isn't particularly sporty but as a daily driving family truckster that really shouldn't matter. You can also fit it with a spare tire that goes underneath.

The EREV option is interesting, but if it's a $6K upgrade the Hybrid will still end up being cheaper to own over 10 years based on some calculations I did...however I'll be redoing that once official pricing/figures come out.
 
Hyundai/Genesis are about to really wreck some Market dynamics, and in many ways pave the way for Scout in ways that Ram/Jeep look incapable in doing (inept is the word I should use). A SanteFe and GV70 that show 600 miles+ of range next to similarly sized crossover BEVs at what, maybe 350 miles, is going to really mess with people's minds.
 
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Hyundai/Genesis are about to really wreck some Market dynamics, and in many ways pave the way for Scout in ways that Ram/Jeep look incapable in doing (inept is the word I should use). A SanteFe and GV70 that show 600 miles+ of range next to similarly sized crossover BEVs at what, maybe 350 miles, is going to really mess with people's minds.
I get it, but having gone on our roadtrip to SC last weekend no one is driving 600 miles without stopping. We drove 790 miles total each day. We stopped at least 3 times and this is not a trip I would repeat on the regular. It’s just too much.

The number sounds great, like wow I can go 600 miles and I don’t need to get gas, but you still need bio breaks, stretch your leg breaks, get me out of this car breaks.
 
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Hyundai/Genesis are about to really wreck some Market dynamics, and in many ways pave the way for Scout in ways that Ram/Jeep look incapable in doing (inept is the word I should use). A SanteFe and GV70 that show 600 miles+ of range next to similarly sized crossover BEVs at what, maybe 350 miles, is going to really mess with people's minds.
It's all about talent.

Over the last 20 years Hyundai has been poaching key people from the German auto manufacturers and it shows. Check out the previous roles of some current and recently retired Hyundai executives (you can assume what they do now at Hyundai)...

Albert Biermann: Former boss of BMW M Division (good article)
Manfred Harrer: Senior Chassis and Vehicle R&D at Porsche/Audi/BMW
Peter Schreyer: Designer at Audi/VW (did the original Audi TT)
Fayez Abdul Rahman: 30 years at BMW leading concept and platform architecture for BMW 7, X models, and M vehicles
Filippo Perini: Senior Designer at Audi and Head of Design at VW Group Lamborghini and Italdesign
Luc Donckerwolke: Design director for Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, and Skoda

The list goes on and it's insane. Hell the aforementioned current-gen Santa Fe was designed by SangYup Lee, the former head of the exterior design group of Bentley under Luc Donckerwolke. He's responsible for the 2015 Bentley Bentayga and EXP 10 Speed 6 concept, both of which he did with Donckerwolke...who apparently later brought him to Hyundai. One of the first vehicles he did at Hyundai was the Genesis GV80....you know the SUV everyone likes to say is Bentley like...well now you know why. Oh and btw SangYup Lee then replaced Peter Schreyer who retired and became EVP of Design.
 
I get it, but having gone on our roadtrip to SC last weekend no one is driving 600 miles without stopping. We drove 790 miles total each day. We stopped at least 3 times and this is not a trip I would repeat on the regular. It’s just too much.

The number sounds great, like wow I can go 600 miles and I don’t need to get gas, but you still need bio breaks, stretch your leg breaks, get me out of this car breaks.
My Audi can do 500mi to a tank which I love, not because I'm constantly doing cross country road trips, but because it means I can do a 5 day a week commute and stuff on the weekends without having to worry about filling up, or rather filling up becomes less of a hassle because the margin is so wide. Meanwhile the ID.4 range when charge to 80 is ~200mi which has translated to charging 1.5x a week and constantly being mindful of how much range is left.

Edit: I think 600mi is excessive but definitely adds a wow factor, but 500mi is a great number.
 
My Audi can do 500mi to a tank which I love, not because I'm constantly doing cross country road trips, but because it means I can do a 5 day a week commute and stuff on the weekends without having to worry about filling up, or rather filling up becomes less of a hassle because the margin is so wide. Meanwhile the ID.4 range when charge to 80 is ~200mi which has translated to charging 1.5x a week and constantly being mindful of how much range is left.

Edit: I think 600mi is excessive but definitely adds a wow factor, but 500mi is a great number.

You guys have to think about EREV road trip range differently. It's not 600 miles non-stop. It's probably 250-300 miles between gas fill-ups, and considerably more freedom to choose
 
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You guys have to think about EREV road trip range differently. It's not 600 miles non-stop. It's probably 250-300 miles between gas fill-ups, and considerably more freedom to choose
But that’s my point. In our ICE vehicle we can go 250 to 300 miles between fillups already. The first leg of the trip to SC we went about 250 miles and then filled up. There’s gas stations everywhere.

600 miles of range sounds nice, but I just don’t think it’s a requirement and how much more does the vehicle cost to get that much range?
 
Hyundai/Genesis are about to really wreck some Market dynamics, and in many ways pave the way for Scout in ways that Ram/Jeep look incapable in doing (inept is the word I should use). A SanteFe and GV70 that show 600 miles+ of range next to similarly sized crossover BEVs at what, maybe 350 miles, is going to really mess with people's minds.
600 miles…

I’m from Missouri!
 
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It's all about talent.

Over the last 20 years Hyundai has been poaching key people from the German auto manufacturers and it shows. Check out the previous roles of some current and recently retired Hyundai executives (you can assume what they do now at Hyundai)...

Albert Biermann: Former boss of BMW M Division (good article)
Manfred Harrer: Senior Chassis and Vehicle R&D at Porsche/Audi/BMW
Peter Schreyer: Designer at Audi/VW (did the original Audi TT)
Fayez Abdul Rahman: 30 years at BMW leading concept and platform architecture for BMW 7, X models, and M vehicles
Filippo Perini: Senior Designer at Audi and Head of Design at VW Group Lamborghini and Italdesign
Luc Donckerwolke: Design director for Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, and Skoda

The list goes on and it's insane. Hell the aforementioned current-gen Santa Fe was designed by SangYup Lee, the former head of the exterior design group of Bentley under Luc Donckerwolke. He's responsible for the 2015 Bentley Bentayga and EXP 10 Speed 6 concept, both of which he did with Donckerwolke...who apparently later brought him to Hyundai. One of the first vehicles he did at Hyundai was the Genesis GV80....you know the SUV everyone likes to say is Bentley like...well now you know why. Oh and btw SangYup Lee then replaced Peter Schreyer who retired and became EVP of Design.
Maybe that explains what's happened to BMW designs in recent years. The talent left! :ROFLMAO:
 
Maybe that explains what's happened to BMW designs in recent years. The talent left! :ROFLMAO:
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I get it, but having gone on our roadtrip to SC last weekend no one is driving 600 miles without stopping. We drove 790 miles total each day. We stopped at least 3 times and this is not a trip I would repeat on the regular. It’s just too much.

The number sounds great, like wow I can go 600 miles and I don’t need to get gas, but you still need bio breaks, stretch your leg breaks, get me out of this car breaks.
This is a great point and as someone with a BEV at the moment, is a trap I find myself falling into . The real question though is what's the real world miles? My Rivian is supposed to go 330 but I never get anywhere close to that. I have to stop and charge on teh way to my in-law's lake cabin that's only about 250 miles from my house. For that reason, I really need 400 or 450 so I can drive the 250, which is only about 4 hours. If Scout's 350/500 is actual mileage, that's plenty. But when that's actually 250/400, that could be a problem for some, and would be for me with the BEV to and from the lake, which is partially why I've chosen the Harvester even though I want BEV. That plus I can get the Harvester first!
 
For most drivers of any kind, a range more than about 350 miles is an emotional support range, not a necessary range.

A range of 350 means a practical range of about 260 miles, regardless of the power plant. Few people drive their gassy vehicle below a quarter tank. Most experienced EV drivers will drive to below 10% and charge to around 85%.

A range of 260 miles of driving means somewhere around 4 hours of sitting. Any longer than that is unhealthy anyway. The medical community generally recommends sitting in the car for no more than 2 hours at a time.

For local driving:
For gassy vehicles, there’s the convenience factor of not having to go to a gas station as often with a longer range. I totally get that.

For EV drivers who have the privilege of charging at home, the convenience of charging at home completely eliminates the need for long range. I almost never worry about managing the charge of my vehicles. I always have the vehicle plugged in when I’m home. When I’m about to go on a road trip—if I remember—I tell the vehicle to charge to 100%. But for local driving, range is irrelevant once it’s above about 40-60 miles.

The biggest concern is for EV drivers who don’t have access to home-based charging. The increase in the number of L2 chargers at places of business is a good start. Good workplaces, apartments, etc. would also have L2 chargers.
 
But that’s my point. In our ICE vehicle we can go 250 to 300 miles between fillups already. The first leg of the trip to SC we went about 250 miles and then filled up. There’s gas stations everywhere.

600 miles of range sounds nice, but I just don’t think it’s a requirement and how much more does the vehicle cost to get that much range?
I with you on the stopping every 250-300 miles. In an ICE though, that's maybe a 10 minute stop for me and my family. In my BEV, it's a half hour. Those extra 20 minutes add up when you're stopping two or three times on a road trip. If you have more miles on your battery, you can still stop for 10 minutes, charge during those 10 minutes, and off you go.
 
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I with you on the stopping every 250-300 miles. In an ICE though, that's maybe a 10 minute stop for me and my family. In my BEV, it's a half hour. Those extra 20 minutes add up when you're stopping two or three times on a road trip. If you have more miles on your battery, you can still stop for 10 minutes, charge during those 10 minutes, and off you go.
Oh I timed some of our stops. They were longer than 10 minutes. We went to get gas. Then went and ate at Starbucks, etc. Being on a trip that long we weren’t rushing to get back into the car.
 
But that’s my point. In our ICE vehicle we can go 250 to 300 miles between fillups already. The first leg of the trip to SC we went about 250 miles and then filled up. There’s gas stations everywhere.

600 miles of range sounds nice, but I just don’t think it’s a requirement and ho
I think we're kinda talking past each other this time around. My point being, that with EREVs dual nature, folks shouldn't really fixate on 600 miles but rather, now i have a 350 mile ICE roadtripper with no planning constraints whatsoever, and a 200-250 mile daily EV, so the "what do i need 600 miles for?" question isn't really worth trying to answer. It's the wrong question.

I can't wait for all this to get here
 
But that’s my point. In our ICE vehicle we can go 250 to 300 miles between fillups already. The first leg of the trip to SC we went about 250 miles and then filled up. There’s gas stations everywhere.

600 miles of range sounds nice, but I just don’t think it’s a requirement and how much more does the vehicle cost to get that much range?
I agree with you and with @Hedges1 but at a slightly lower personal refuel range requirement (200-225 miles). I look for about 3 hours of driving as being ideal between stops, but I am no longer a road warrier. The point in favor of EREVs is that they acheive 250-300 miles of range between fill-ups so travlers have more flexibility to refuel when and where they want to. BEVs like the R2 may only travel 160 miles (10-80%) which constrains a trip and requires more thought and attention to when and where to charge. Trade-offs abound and are unique to individual/family travel preferences and requirements, for example, living in East Texas might make an EREV a better fit while living in the North East might be perfect for a BEV . I vastly prefer the BEV experience and the lower fueling (and hopefully maintenance costs) associated with drving an electric vehicle. I just hope the Travler as configured can come as close as possible to 200 miles 10-80% but that is very unlikely with a fully kitted trim. In that event I hope the Traveler's charging curve surpises and that Ionna chargers take over the charger scene. Tesla Superchargers derate all the time. I really like the R2 but a 10-80% range of 160 miles and its middling charging curve make it suboptimal for longer road trips. In my opinion the R2 is still the best daily and mid-distance EV on the market though. Please, Scout, I'm not asking you to defy physics, rather apply it optimally as possible to the Traveler!