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[rfk]

Although I REALLLLLY don't want to deal with Toyota's ridiculous allocation system. Let me get the exact configuration I want!

Our experience w/ 2024 Grand Highlander Hybrid - if you find an available allocation soon enough, anything but powertrain, trim, and with/without sunroof could be changed. We wanted Limited Hybrid w/out sunroof, found such an allocation, then changed colors and equipment (both factory and land-port) from there (changes happen overnight in their system). Clumsy but doable if the dealer is actually willing to work for their cut.

 

[cyure]

Our experience w/ 2024 Grand Highlander Hybrid - if you find an available allocation soon enough, anything but powertrain, trim, and with/without sunroof could be changed. We wanted Limited Hybrid w/out sunroof, found such an allocation, then changed colors and equipment (both factory and land-port) from there (changes happen overnight in their system). Clumsy but doable if the dealer is actually willing to work for their cut.

That’s the issue. It’s luck of the draw whether you get a good dealer or not.

 

[Logan]

That’s the issue. It’s luck of the draw whether you get a good dealer or not.

Maybe I dodged a bullet, because the dealers I called around to here were definitely not as cool as that.

Which again reenforces how much I dislike dealers. There are too many tares in that wheat.

 

[Chavannigans]

I can’t imagine what will happen with the new Highlander as a BEV. Bet they get a lot of interest then lose buyers because they can’t produce

Idk man. Toyota people are just different.

They will wait a year for a car with colors they don’t like, and accept whatever price the dealer is asking for it.

Im sure people will nurse an older car along for years to wait it out.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

As much as I despise dealers, If a BEV 4Runner or Tacoma with 330+ miles EPA were available, I couldn't care less what color it came in. That's what wraps are for.

 

[cyure]

R2

 

[cyure]

R2

https://insideevs.com/reviews/786814/rivian-r2-prototype-first-drive/

 

[THil08]

 

[robothero]

This thread has been great to reinforce my long standing policy of never buying a Toyota.

 

[cyure]

This thread has been great to reinforce my long standing policy of never buying a Toyota.

I consider the Supra a BMW in a Toyota suit.

 

[LastDayScout]

I gotta say, I wish the Scout Traveler was size of the R2.

 

[cyure]

Now the question I have is these things we are seeing in the R2 UX, will we see a Scout version that’s similar but just looks more Scout than Rivian?

 

[robothero]

I gotta say, I wish the Scout Traveler was size of the R2.

I keep forgetting how much bigger it is (allegedly) than the bronco

 

[cyure]

I keep forgetting how much bigger it is (allegedly) than the bronco

It’s the width. And it looks even wider because it doesn’t have any elevation changes between the hood and a fender flare.

 

[robothero]

It’s the width. And it looks even wider because it doesn’t have any elevation changes between the hood and a fender flare.

As someone who's seen it up close, is the difference noticeable?

 

[Mousehunter]

Scout Traveler SUV
- 207.9 inch length (with rear mounted spare tire / carrier)
- 190.9 inch length (without spare tire / carrier)
- 91.6 inch width (with mirrors)
- 79.9 inch width (without mirrors)
- 120.4 inch wheelbase
- 76.3 inch height
- 12+ inch max ground clearance

Bronco 4-Door
- 189.4 inch length (with rear mounted spare tire / carrier)
- 86.2 inch width (with mirrors)
- 75.9 inch width (without mirrors
- 116.1 inch wheelbase

1.5" longer (without spare tire carrier)
3.5" wider (without mirrors)
4.3" more wheelbase.

I don't know how width is technically measured. I suspect it is body width - which would exclude fender flares or wheel spacing (The Sasquatch has about 5" fender flares). Still the Scout has less shoulders than the Bronco, so should have more interior room - even if it takes less space in the lane than the Sasquatch.

 

[cyure]

As someone who's seen it up close, is the difference noticeable?

When you walk up on the front of the Scout it just looks really wide because the hood is so wide.

For example my jeep has a lot of elevation changes. It has the power dome hood so that sticks up higher in the middle, then the sides of the hood are lower, and then the fender flares is lower and then I have a -12 offset so my tires stick out past the fender. I had a feeling my Wrangler was wider than I thought so I put a piece of tape at the edge of each tire and backed out and measured. My Jeep is 78.5 inches wide at its widest point. So only 1.5 inches smaller in width than the Scout but it looks a lot skinnier because the hood isn’t as wide as the widest point. If that makes sense.

When you walk up to the front of the Traveler I felt like I was walking up to the front of a full size truck because it’s wide like a truck. It looks the same as the Terra. But when you go around the side it’s 4Runner size in length without the tire, so it feels like a normal SUV.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[cyure]

As someone who's seen it up close, is the difference noticeable?

It’s so hard to show perspective. Here’s a couple where I’m standing in front of the Traveler and then sitting in the frunk. And then one from Nats I’m not sure if I ever posted.

 

[Chuckles]

Now the question I have is these things we are seeing in the R2 UX, will we see a Scout version that’s similar but just looks more Scout than Rivian?

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Chris Benjamin said on the Motor Trend podcast that a Rivian driver who got into a Scout would not recognize the UX.

 

[THil08]

Chris Benjamin said on the Motor Trend podcast that a Rivian driver who got into a Scout would not recognize the UX.

I was just gonna say this. That Chris has said it’s like two completely different interfaces.