EREV initial release only?

[RodorW]

I have another question, somewhat directed at Scout, but also just in general.

If Scout takes, let's say, 2 years to deliver all of its reservations, at what point do they stop being "launch editions"?
Is it once there's another "trim" option after the "launch trim"? (and assuming the launch trim remains available for all reservation holders)
Or is it once all reservations (turned orders) have been fulfilled?

I would assume all Reservations would be considered "launch editions." Even with a year or two of refinement between them, but that's my take, and why I wanted to ask.

I also hope that "launch trim" is called something more thematic to scout.

 

[cyure]

I have another question, somewhat directed at Scout, but also just in general.

If Scout takes, let's say, 2 years to deliver all of its reservations, at what point do they stop being "launch editions"?
Is it once there's another "trim" option after the "launch trim"? (and assuming the launch trim remains available for all reservation holders)
Or is it once all reservations (turned orders) have been fulfilled?

I would assume all Reservations would be considered "launch editions." Even with a year or two of refinement between them, but that's my take, and why I wanted to ask.

I also hope that "launch trim" is called something more thematic to scout.

My theory and I’m just spitballing here, is once it flips over to the 2029 model year it’s no longer a launch model year.

 

[LastDayScout]

I hate that, what’s on the lot. For once in my life I want to get exactly what I want in a car!

Agreed, I am also a carcissist.

 

[RodorW]

My theory and I’m just spitballing here, is once it flips over to the 2029 model year it’s no longer a launch model year.

Which is fair, but I'm also assuming that the launch trim remains an option (it might get renamed though) for all reservation holders, so nobody feels like they missed out when they had no say in their place in line. Though I suppose if they cycle through all reservation holders once, and they opted out of the "launch trim," then it can be retired or upgraded to something a little different

 

[cyure]

Which is fair, but I'm also assuming that the launch trim remains an option (it might get renamed though) for all reservation holders, so nobody feels like they missed out when they had no say in their place in line. Though I suppose if they cycle through all reservation holders once, and they opted out of the "launch trim," then it can be retired or upgraded to something a little different

Aren’t launch trims usually limited? I’ve never done this before where I have been in on the ground floor so to speak.

I’m just throwing out a number but let’s say 20,000 people wanted the launch trim, would they make 20,000?

 

[RodorW]

Aren’t launch trims usually limited? I’ve never done this before where I have been in on the ground floor so to speak.

I’m just throwing out a number but let’s say 20,000 people wanted the launch trim, would they make 20,000?

I don't specifically myself, I've only ever bought used, this will be a first for me, however, I know the first year of Silverado EVs you could buy a WT variant, or an RST "First Year" which was the "everything plus the kitchen sink" model, but Scout is offering two models, each with two configurations (BEV & EREV) and it's very easy to see 20k units out before the BEV Terras get on the line and then if what was a "launch trim" gets upgraded or replaced by something more expensive, that would suck.

However, I don't agree with "trims." My base trim bolt is very basic and doesn't have rear cupholders, which was a 1-3K trim upgrade, and added more things that I would never use (I didn't buy it new, but if I had I would have been upset about the trim options). That's why I hope Scout takes a more Rivian approach, no trims, just a lot of options to make our scouts unique to us.

 

[J Alynn]

I went back and rewatched the Jay Leno video on Scout, and I think I've narrowed down what's been bothering me about the press side of things with Scout. I'm clearly far more interested in BEV over EREV, but it seems like there's a preference to talk about the harvester model, which I do understand; it's newer tech with a lot of questions, but I think what's been bothering me is that after Scout answers those questions, it feels like we stick with the harvester. Where, after a question is answered, Scout is in a really good place to help start educating people on EVs. Answer the question and love the product, but then flip it, talk about why people have this misconception that they do, and bring some positive light to the BEV version. For example, when Jay mentions he doesn't understand why people wouldn't want the EREV, Scott does try to turn it back on him, but ultimately just says, "best of both worlds." Scout is in a very unique position as an EV start-up with a heritage name, and offering BEV and EREV, they could really start pushing away those misconceptions continued by the big brands (like Ford and Dodge). Get people in the door on these cool vehicles, but not let O&G get in the way of the EV.

Does that make sense? I have way too much time alone on the road to think and might just get a little lost, but I wanted to put this out there. I'm very excited for what's to come and can't wait to try and fit my Terra in the garage, but without more news, I'm just spiraling

I think that is definitely a good point. I think controlling the narrative is the way to go. Because while EREV in this format is “new tech” to most people (even though it’s been around for ever). It uses gas so always easier to sell-especially wrapped in the amazing exterior design. But to your point, SM staff should have standard responses prepared for the 10-12 most common comments. Someone says “X” about the harvester and SM should say “Y” about EV as a tie in to keep putting it out there. I think once these hit market more and more EV buyers will come but why not put the carrot out there now. And since there is basically talk of a larger 3-row and a smaller lifestyle why not tell buyers if you buy EV now and trade in on next you get first opportunity and a discount. Pick up buyers with young kids to start and as family grows you keep them in the SM family and probably even keep them in BEV.

 

[J Alynn]

Aren’t launch trims usually limited? I’ve never done this before where I have been in on the ground floor so to speak.

I’m just throwing out a number but let’s say 20,000 people wanted the launch trim, would they make 20,000?

No. Generally it’s a fixed number which makes them limited and more valuable. And typically only a few colors, perhaps one of which won’t be offered beyond the launch and/or first year so it has inherently more valuable

 

[J Alynn]

I have another question, somewhat directed at Scout, but also just in general.

If Scout takes, let's say, 2 years to deliver all of its reservations, at what point do they stop being "launch editions"?
Is it once there's another "trim" option after the "launch trim"? (and assuming the launch trim remains available for all reservation holders)
Or is it once all reservations (turned orders) have been fulfilled?

I would assume all Reservations would be considered "launch editions." Even with a year or two of refinement between them, but that's my take, and why I wanted to ask.

I also hope that "launch trim" is called something more thematic to scout.

Generally launch editions are limited with various features, colors, quantities, etc…. That allows a more focused approach to get the line(s) up and running, no major hurdles in the assembly process and ironically that all simplifies the manufacturing process but in turn allows them to sell it for a bit more money. And the buyers who adopt early and gamble end up with a very unique vehicle

 

[R1TVT]

That's why I hope Scout takes a more Rivian approach, no trims, just a lot of options to make our scouts unique to us.

Rivian actually did have trims at launch, but most people just selected the LAUNCH EDITION (over the other two trims) and the "explore" trim was killed almost instantaneously. Even within the Launch Edition, you could choose an off-road package with 20's and AT's, and you could add an armored underbelly to your order (with other accessories like spares, rubber mats, racks, etc.). When it came time for delivery, some of us took the truck without all the accessories. I recall the wall charger, rubber mats and racks all being shipped separately, as they were fulfilled at different times. Some people also had to wait a bit for the spare tire. Mine was delivered with the full sizes spare. So, while there was some degree of standardization, which I view as good, they did try a couple of trims. Scout should keep it simple to start for sure, but some people may need to wait a bit longer if they don't like whatever the Launch package entails.

2022 Rivian Trim Breakdown

• Launch Edition: The premier 2022 model for early reservation holders, featuring exclusive Launch Green paint options, special interior badging, and generally more standard equipment (including the power tonneau cover on the R1T) compared to the Adventure.
• Adventure Package: The high-end, widely available package offering the same core performance (835 hp) as the Launch Edition, including premium materials, air suspension, and on-board air compressor.
• Explore Package: The base trim level, which was briefly offered but ultimately canceled by Rivian in August 2022 with few, if any, units built.

 

[RodorW]

Rivian actually did have trims at launch, but most people just selected the LAUNCH EDITION (over the other two trims) and the "explore" trim was killed almost instantaneously. Even within the Launch Edition, you could choose an off-road package with 20's and AT's, and you could add an armored underbelly to your order (with other accessories like spares, rubber mats, racks, etc.). When it came time for delivery, some of us took the truck without all the accessories. I recall the wall charger, rubber mats and racks all being shipped separately, as they were fulfilled at different times. Some people also had to wait a bit for the spare tire. Mine was delivered with the full sizes spare. So, while there was some degree of standardization, which I view as good, they did try a couple of trims. Scout should keep it simple to start for sure, but some people may need to wait a bit longer if they don't like whatever the Launch package entails.

2022 Rivian Trim Breakdown

• Launch Edition: The premier 2022 model for early reservation holders, featuring exclusive Launch Green paint options, special interior badging, and generally more standard equipment (including the power tonneau cover on the R1T) compared to the Adventure.
• Adventure Package: The high-end, widely available package offering the same core performance (835 hp) as the Launch Edition, including premium materials, air suspension, and on-board air compressor.
• Explore Package: The base trim level, which was briefly offered but ultimately canceled by Rivian in August 2022 with few, if any, units built.

This is true, but I don’t consider them trims as much because when I hear the word trim in association to a vehicle, the majority of my experience has been with Chevrolet and Dodge where in some cases the vehicles are identical with just one little thing here and there, but that cost thousands more wear a package is more geared towards something specific, which is what I would consider Rivian‘s options to be if that makes sense. But regardless of trim or package the main issue I take is when you can’t get one thing without having to get three other things for example if scout offers a winch, you would only be able to get it on the explorer trim, but in order to get that, you also have to get the go box and a specific interior color. I’m not saying that’s the case. I’m just trying to give the best example I can come up with off the top of my head.

 

[RodorW]

I think that is definitely a good point. I think controlling the narrative is the way to go. Because while EREV in this format is “new tech” to most people (even though it’s been around for ever). It uses gas so always easier to sell-especially wrapped in the amazing exterior design. But to your point, SM staff should have standard responses prepared for the 10-12 most common comments. Someone says “X” about the harvester and SM should say “Y” about EV as a tie in to keep putting it out there. I think once these hit market more and more EV buyers will come but why not put the carrot out there now. And since there is basically talk of a larger 3-row and a smaller lifestyle why not tell buyers if you buy EV now and trade in on next you get first opportunity and a discount. Pick up buyers with young kids to start and as family grows you keep them in the SM family and probably even keep them in BEV.

Exactly, and while I don't think it's been intentional, it seems like the harvester is largely the only one being talked about. Not just overshadowing the BEV, but in a way where it starts to feel like the harvester is the only one that exists. That's obviously not the case, but it feels like there could be a stronger attempt to remind the more general audience that a fully electric version will exist. EREVs feel like a stepping stone, from ICE to EV, but since the US is behind many people I've heard talk about it, think it's the evolution of BEV, praising Ford for killing the Lightning, and RAM for... whatever it is they're actually doing, but the reality is EREVs will probably be short lived and upstaged in few generations by evolving battery technology, not mention the maintenance.

Also, I do realize that "today" EREVs have a place, and honestly, I placed my reservation expecting to be on the EREV side for the rare times I want to travel 400+ miles for friends & family, but my daily miles would require constant use of the generator, which means more fuel cost, and maintenance cycles, and after almost 2 years in an EV I don't want to go back to gasoline, heck even planning to upgrade our lawnmower this year with an electric.

 

[J Alynn]

Rivian actually did have trims at launch, but most people just selected the LAUNCH EDITION (over the other two trims) and the "explore" trim was killed almost instantaneously. Even within the Launch Edition, you could choose an off-road package with 20's and AT's, and you could add an armored underbelly to your order (with other accessories like spares, rubber mats, racks, etc.). When it came time for delivery, some of us took the truck without all the accessories. I recall the wall charger, rubber mats and racks all being shipped separately, as they were fulfilled at different times. Some people also had to wait a bit for the spare tire. Mine was delivered with the full sizes spare. So, while there was some degree of standardization, which I view as good, they did try a couple of trims. Scout should keep it simple to start for sure, but some people may need to wait a bit longer if they don't like whatever the Launch package entails.

2022 Rivian Trim Breakdown

• Launch Edition: The premier 2022 model for early reservation holders, featuring exclusive Launch Green paint options, special interior badging, and generally more standard equipment (including the power tonneau cover on the R1T) compared to the Adventure.
• Adventure Package: The high-end, widely available package offering the same core performance (835 hp) as the Launch Edition, including premium materials, air suspension, and on-board air compressor.
• Explore Package: The base trim level, which was briefly offered but ultimately canceled by Rivian in August 2022 with few, if any, units built.

This would be ideal and would allow more people to find a close match to what they desire. Did Rivian offer all colors or just limited along with the green-correct? Was yellow part of launch?

 

[N Wilson]

I'm a little late to the party here.

As President (self-appointed) of the Cool Kids Club, otherwise known as BEV Terra reservation holders, I know we will likely be last to get our new Scouts but I, for one, am staying put and keeping my reservation. Here's why:

As Jaime said, Scout is starting a brand new company in a brand new factory, with all new production workers, etc. I think we all just need to give them some grace and let them roll out the vehicles in whatever order they decide is going to make the most sense for them.

If it takes them a little longer to get to the BEV Terra, we get to keep our prestigious, exclusive club going a while longer.

I also have the advantage of having bought a used Lightning a few months ago, so I have an awesome vehicle to drive while waiting for my Scout. Because of this, I don't mind waiting longer because I can pay down my loan and build equity in the Lightning while waiting. I'm also getting experience owning an EV so by the time I get the Scout, I'll be a pro at using DCFCs, etc

I realize other's situations may be different and some may need to get something else if the delay is too long. I totally respect that. I just think this opportunity to get a new Scout is too cool to pass up, so I'm here for it, no matter how long it takes.

 

[woodieboys]

I just watched a YouTube video (I know, nothing official) that said there may not be a BEV option at all and that we might not even know until sometime next year. I understand that more people want the EREV than the BEV but where would that leave those of us who already reserved the BEV? Waiting until all the EREV reservation holders have their vehicles? Or not getting what we reserved at all? They really need to give an official answer because at this point I may just go in a different direction, even though the Terra is what I really want. The silence is deafening.

 

[RodorW]

I just watched a YouTube video (I know, nothing official) that said there may not be a BEV option at all and that we might not even know until sometime next year. I understand that more people want the EREV than the BEV but where would that leave those of us who already reserved the BEV? Waiting until all the EREV reservation holders have their vehicles? Or not getting what we reserved at all? They really need to give an official answer because at this point I may just go in a different direction, even though the Terra is what I really want. The silence is deafening.

They've said BEV is still going to be made, and will be produced at the same time as EREV just in lower amounts and the traveler will likely be prioritized

 

[woodieboys]

I'm a little late to the party here.

As President (self-appointed) of the Cool Kids Club, otherwise known as BEV Terra reservation holders, I know we will likely be last to get our new Scouts but I, for one, am staying put and keeping my reservation. Here's why:

As Jaime said, Scout is starting a brand new company in a brand new factory, with all new production workers, etc. I think we all just need to give them some grace and let them roll out the vehicles in whatever order they decide is going to make the most sense for them.

If it takes them a little longer to get to the BEV Terra, we get to keep our prestigious, exclusive club going a while longer.

I also have the advantage of having bought a used Lightning a few months ago, so I have an awesome vehicle to drive while waiting for my Scout. Because of this, I don't mind waiting longer because I can pay down my loan and build equity in the Lightning while waiting. I'm also getting experience owning an EV so by the time I get the Scout, I'll be a pro at using DCFCs, etc

I realize other's situations may be different and some may need to get something else if the delay is too long. I totally respect that. I just think this opportunity to get a new Scout is too cool to pass up, so I'm here for it, no matter how long it takes.

I just posted my frustration just below your post. I want literally what you want. A BEV Terra. I reserved extremely early, basically about a month after they opened reservations. I've been patiently waiting but now I'm just getting pissed. It seems that if fewer people want the BEV, they should start their first and get them done rather than make us wait until 85% more people get their vehicles. The folks who want EREVs wouldn't have to wait nearly as long and Scout wouldn't be risking losing those folks' business.