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[SpaceEVDriver]

New York state is (weakly) looking out of automobile customers and working to ban some nonsense subscriptions.

"No manufacturer, dealer, or agent of a manufacturer or dealer shall offer to a consumer a subscription service for any motor vehicle feature that: (1) utilizes components and hardware already installed on the motor vehicle at the time of purchase or lease by the consumer; and
(2) would function after activation without ongoing cost to or support by the dealer, manufacturer, or any third-party service provider."

Lawmakers Are Putting Their Foot Down About Subscription Car Features - SlashGear

New York Senate Bill S5708, which has passed the Senate and Assembly, is looking to prevent carmakers from charging subscription fees for hardware features.

www.slashgear.com

 

[J Alynn]

New York state is (weakly) looking out of automobile customers and working to ban some nonsense subscriptions.

"No manufacturer, dealer, or agent of a manufacturer or dealer shall offer to a consumer a subscription service for any motor vehicle feature that: (1) utilizes components and hardware already installed on the motor vehicle at the time of purchase or lease by the consumer; and
(2) would function after activation without ongoing cost to or support by the dealer, manufacturer, or any third-party service provider."

Lawmakers Are Putting Their Foot Down About Subscription Car Features - SlashGear

New York Senate Bill S5708, which has passed the Senate and Assembly, is looking to prevent carmakers from charging subscription fees for hardware features.

www.slashgear.com

It’s great they are doing that but I think if a manufacturer wants to piss off their potential customers that should be their right. I don’t think they should be able to blackmail a buyer after the sale by treating to turn things on and off if they were available at time of purchase. If it’s there-it’s there and if not, it isn’t. But if BMW wants to piss people off-go nuts, just no Bait and switch

 

[THil08]

I find it pretty funny on how everyone flips out about that oil because it’s from old sea beds, and bones and plants. But yet phosphate is the same thing. Just not in the form of oil yet.

Seems like EVs and ICEs are pretty similar. But one burns, and the other just loses battery health and performance over the years. And the other gets worse fuel mileage and emissions when not taken care of.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I find it pretty funny on how everyone flips out about that oil because it’s from old sea beds, and bones and plants. But yet phosphate is the same thing. Just not in the form of oil yet.

Seems like EVs and ICEs are pretty similar. But one burns, and the other just loses percentage and performance over the years.

The difference is that a 33.7 kWh battery can last ~30 years and can be recharged via solar, wind, or other sources that don’t require the burning of fossil fuels. And afterward, the lithium and other cathode materials can be recycled at ~99% efficiency. And, at least for EVs, the efficiency of a vehicle using that energy is significantly higher.

The 33.7 kWh in a gallon of gasoline is burned once and gone and the byproducts of burning a gallon of gasoline are left in the atmosphere for a damaging amount of time. And it can take up to four additional gallons of gasoline to put that one gallon into your tank.

 

[Gurble]

The difference is that a 33.7 kWh battery can last ~30 years and can be recharged via solar, wind, or other sources that don’t require the burning of fossil fuels. And afterward, the lithium and other cathode materials can be recycled at ~99% efficiency. And, at least for EVs, the efficiency of a vehicle using that energy is significantly higher.

The 33.7 kWh in a gallon of gasoline is burned once and gone and the byproducts of burning a gallon of gasoline are left in the atmosphere for a damaging amount of time. And it can take up to four additional gallons of gasoline to put that one gallon into your tank.

Not to mention an EV will go a hell of a lot further on 33.7kw than any ICE on a gallon of gas.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Not to mention an EV will go a hell of a lot further on 33.7kw than any ICE on a gallon of gas.

Exactly.
In my low-efficiency Lighting, I can get around 84 miles with 33.7 kWh of energy on the highway.
Around town, I can get about 135 miles.
The EPA rating is 70 mpg-equivalent, including charging losses.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

I find it pretty funny on how everyone flips out about that oil because it’s from old sea beds, and bones and plants. But yet phosphate is the same thing. Just not in the form of oil yet.

Seems like EVs and ICEs are pretty similar. But one burns, and the other just loses percentage and performance over the years.

At they risk of being harsh, I find it funny that you could possibly think ICE vehicles are equal to or even better for the environment.

 

[THil08]

At they risk of being harsh, I find it funny that you could possibly think ICE vehicles are equal to or even better for the environment.

When did i ever remotely say that?

All i said was they are both using the same material to make them selves go. One more broken down than the other.

 

[THil08]

The difference is that a 33.7 kWh battery can last ~30 years and can be recharged via solar, wind, or other sources that don’t require the burning of fossil fuels. And afterward, the lithium and other cathode materials can be recycled at ~99% efficiency. And, at least for EVs, the efficiency of a vehicle using that energy is significantly higher.

The 33.7 kWh in a gallon of gasoline is burned once and gone and the byproducts of burning a gallon of gasoline are left in the atmosphere for a damaging amount of time. And it can take up to four additional gallons of gasoline to put that one gallon into your tank.

That is true in some sense. But luckily we have a big beautiful ocean that actually cleans 30% which is a decent amount of the CO2. And Trees clean about a 25%. Of human made CO2. Just wanting to put that out there. But yes EVs are better for the environment. Besides the child and slave labor in countries that are mining the resources.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

When did i ever remotely say that?

All i said was they are both using the same material to make them selves go. One more broken down than the other.

Maybe it was implied? If I am wrong my apologies Thil..

 

[rfk]

Lets enjoy the comedy of this Marketing Stunt. Pretty sure every car made today could pull those logs.

Never thought I'd apply the term 'Butterface' to a car, but that pale butter yellow Telluride is it.

 

[cyure]

Never thought I'd apply the term 'Butterface' to a car, but that pale butter yellow Telluride is it.

Just in case anyone was wondering that’s not the PBY I’m talking about. That color had more tan/brown undertones.

 

[dreamweaver]

Just in case anyone was wondering that’s not the PBY I’m talking about. That color had more tan/brown undertones.

Looks more like "Sand" color, to me. Not yellow at all.