No doubt! And now for a little added fawning… we are so glad you put up with us Jamie.I think SM pays him to be here and engage all of us simpletons
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Rivian started in 2009 and delivered their first vehicle in 2021. But let's ignore their aborted attempt at developing a hybrid vehicle between 2009 and 2011 and ignore their restart from 2011 to 2015. If you count Rivian’s start as 2015 when they received their first major investment, it still took longer for them to debut their first prototypes (2018; 3 years) than Scout. And it took six years to deliver a vehicle from that initial investment. And Rivian didn’t have to build a factory. Scout is likely to deliver in less time than it took Rivian while also building a new factory. It’s just fact, not judgement.
I’m not sure why you post so defensively of Rivian when it’s just a matter of very public timelines. I never said Rivian doesn’t build great vehicles. I never said they were a bad company. It’s simple mathematical fact to state that Rivian took longer than it’s taken Scout to get to the point Scout is today. And the explanation is clear—Scout as a company has more support and fewer barriers, as I stated.
The question was never if Rivian is a good vehicle manufacturer.
The question was whether Scout is in danger of losing customers because of their timeline. I don’t believe they are in that much danger. I wasn’t dumping on Rivian. I was using Rivian as an example of potential customer loyalty through long “slogs” between announcement, debut, and delivery.
I wasn’t attacking Rivian.
I haven’t encountered any simpletons.I think SM pays him to be here and engage all of us simpletons
I wish SM paid me.
I mean, not enough to put in an application (yet).
And I don’t want to move, so it would have to be a remote job.
Beautifully written. Scout is in a unique position—offering a rugged, capable EV SUV that no one else in the current market is delivering. Other manufacturers may be waiting to see how successful (or unsuccessful) Scout Motors will be before committing, but by the time they react, will it be too late for them to enter the space?
Several manufacturers actually have the perfect opportunity to bring legacy nameplates back to life:
- Ram with the Ramcharger
- Toyota with the Land Cruiser
- Chevrolet with a modern K5 Blazer
Thats great and everyone can have an opinion. I was offering a perspective that the comparison between the two timelines is less important (and I was providing context as to why). Also, I'm not sure why you think i thought you were attacking Rivian - I never thought that or said that. And I don't see what was defensive?
Adding another perspective that may be counter to your own should not be perceived as an attack, but rather a response. I value your perspective and agree with much of your sentiment when it comes to Scout.
I believe there’s lots of room in the market.
RAM could also offer a refreshed, throwback-styled Power Wagon as a BEV/EREV. That would attract the same kind of community and controversy Scout has attracted: people demanding only a V8 while others would demand a 4-motor 2000 HP monster. Can you imagine the pearl clutching and free advertising if RAM did that? But they would have to commit to a real development team and timeline instead of running rudderless and with slack sails.
Ford’s Bronco already has a (dual-venture) BEV (400 mile range) and EREV (760 mile range)…It’s only available in China, though. The ranges are using China’s standard, which seems to overestimate real-world range even more than the EPA standard does.
A BEV K5 Blazer/Jimmy would be another great offering. That would sure get all the square body fans talking. Some happy, some upset. But talking.
Toyota, Honda, and Stellantis are definitely stuck in a previous generation mindset. I hope they’ll look over at China’s expanding offerings and realize they need to buck up instead of hunker down.
A Land Cruiser BEV or a Tacoma BEV would be a very attractive vehicle to me.
I won’t buy Stellantis but a modern retro take on a BEV Power Wagon-Oooh-that miiiiight make me rethink things. I love the old power wagons. But that buyer market/demographic would be even harder to convert than Scout fans
Can't say I blame them. If Ford loses money on every one they make and there are no fines for CAFE violations, then it makes sense to invest their money in research and designing EVs that will be profitable.
If that is true (and not being replaced by something else) then that will be one less competitor against the Terra. Shame if it is though, I quite liked the Lightning.
I thought Ford was only temporarily shutting down F-150 Lightening production until they could figure out their supply chain shortages due to the Aluminum fire at their supplier (Novelis). Looks like this is also the result of a tariff on Aluminum, but maybe someone else can confirm if they will restart production first week of Jan
Some interesting vehicles coming to the scene in a few years....
The Yugo! I test drove one of those. Felt like I was driving a car made out of cardboard.
I love that manufacturers are resurfacing former nameplates, I liked the Nissan Silvia. The Scout Traveler will probably be the last new car I will buy in a very loooooong time, possibly ever but I could see being interested in something like the Silvia. Also, the render of the XTerra looks pretty good.
We need Pontiac to come back. Im getting ready to band together with a few friends to buy the brand and naming from GM.
The main one is the FireBird. It's gonna be a 455 V8 with Holley EFI sniper 2 will comply with emissions standards while having the roar of a beast, ALSO will be limited production. sorry EV lovers. But replicating a V8 roar is not easy, as shown by Dodge.
It’s funny. Short of a few of the hyper cars the only vehicles I liked were the Scouts
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