Is there anything SM could offer to get you to switch from EREV to BEV?

[Mousehunter]

I have already reserved the BEV. But I could be swayed by price difference, timing difference, final published ranges, and maybe towing capacity, etc...

If the price is the same and the BEV has a 350 mile range, I am still in the BEV camp. I wish it would have a longer range, or a cheaper price though. 350 miles is not bad, but towing range matters to me as well - and a 350 mile range might not give me the towing range I would really like. But I have no reason to believe towing with the EREV will be all roses and sunshine either. I don't think the EREV will be cheaper either.

Honestly, I have a 3/4 ton truck, so the 5k towing limit does not really bother me. I will not be towing heavy with the Scout while I have a better option.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I’ve been fairly vocal about my usage from the start, so I’m sure nobody will be shocked to see I’m riding the Harvester Band Wagon!

 

[oldgeeksguide]

If EMPs from a nuclear warhead (nuclear power plants don’t produce them) are a concern, then we’ve got much bigger concerns than whether the electronics in *any* vehicle are working.

Given all the myriad paths to destruction, I’m of the opinion that the best plan is a healthy society and a strong community.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Given all the myriad paths to destruction, I’m of the opinion that the best plan is a healthy society and a strong community.

Let’s do that.

 

[bakdraft8231]

maintenance, maintenance,maintenance....what will be the maintenance on the EREV???...maybe if we all have this ???? Scout would/should give us some info?????? would be nice but I hear crickets....

 

[J Alynn]

maintenance, maintenance,maintenance....what will be the maintenance on the EREV???...maybe if we all have this ???? Scout would/should give us some info?????? would be nice but I hear crickets....

Being as they are still developing, testing and tweaking I suspect it will be crickets until they have solid results they can stand behind

 

[Jasco]

maintenance, maintenance,maintenance....what will be the maintenance on the EREV???...maybe if we all have this ???? Scout would/should give us some info?????? would be nice but I hear crickets....

We would all love more information however given where Scout is in their development cycle, vehicle specifics are likely evolving and are certainly subject to refinement over time. Sharing details prematurely opens a big can of worms, Jamie has said as much. So for now all we can do is speculate which is what fuels a lot of the content on the forum in a good way IMHO. The lack of specifications doesn't mean nothing is happening though. There is a whole lotta factory going up right now. And interms of communication, Scott ("uncle Scotty") seems to be making the rounds with the media interviews and keynotes. I learn something new almost everytime he talks. This forum is another great example. I'm not aware of another community with the same level of manufacturer engagement. But yeah, specifics would be great and I'm excited for when they arrive as production nears.

 

[cyure]

We would all love more information however given where Scout is in their development cycle, vehicle specifics are likely evolving and are certainly subject to refinement over time. Sharing details prematurely opens a big can of worms, Jamie has said as much. So for now all we can do is speculate which is what fuels a lot of the content on the forum in a good way IMHO. The lack of specifications doesn't mean nothing is happening though. There is a whole lotta factory going up right now. And interms of communication, Scott ("uncle Scotty") seems to be making the rounds with the media interviews and keynotes. I learn something new almost everytime he talks. This forum is another great example. I'm not aware of another community with the same level of manufacturer engagement. But yeah, specifics would be great and I'm excited for when they arrive as production nears.

Completely agree but also this is a 4 cyl ICE engine. Wouldn’t it stand to reason it would need the normal maintenance that a 4 cyl ICE engine would need. Oil changes and the like.

 

[Cb]

With all I have learned on this forum, looking at my driving use cases, and the fact that EVs are a lot less maintenance I have officially switched my reservation to a BEV. I’m on the EV bandwagon!

Now there’s been lots of discussion about which will come first, EREV or BEV. Let’s say the BEV comes out first could Scout offer something to entice EREV reservation holders to take the leap and buy a BEV.

What would it take to get you EREV reservation holders to purchase the BEV? A free home charger? Money towards the installation? Buy a BEV and get moved to the front of the line for an EREV (Rivian was doing that. If you leased an R1 it got you moved to the front of the line for an R2. They told me that when I test drove one last year).

What do you all think? You fence sitters what would push you over the edge??

So how do we switch our reservation to the BEV version?

 

[cyure]

So how do we switch our reservation to the BEV version?

Through my computer I went to the Scout Motors website. I went to log in. Put in my email address and it sent me a code to my email. Put in the code from my email address and it brought up my reservation. Click on edit reservation and you can pick any of the choices. It will not change your reservation or place in line.

 

[Cb]

Through my computer I went to the Scout Motors website. I went to log in. Put in my email address and it sent me a code to my email. Put in the code from my email address and it brought up my reservation. Click on edit reservation and you can pick any of the choices. It will not change your reservation or place in line.

Thank you. I’m going to switch to the BEV.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Completely agree but also this is a 4 cyl ICE engine. Wouldn’t it stand to reason it would need the normal maintenance that a 4 cyl ICE engine would need. Oil changes and the like.

It does. It might be a bit different from the standard 6 month / 7500 miles that those 4-cylinder engines have now, but it won’t be that different.

They need to run the engine for the equivalent of 6 months and 12 months, or for whatever time frame the’ve decided the engine typically would need an oil change if it were in a standard ICE vehicle. But they will compress that. For example, if the typical driving time each day is 75 minutes, with say 240 minutes of driving on the weekends, that’s 855 minutes each week, 22,230 minutes every six months, 44,460 minutes a year and about 7500 miles every six months. To run their tests, they’ll run the engine for (maybe) 75 minutes on, 75 minutes off, 75 minutes on, etc. to achieve the same number of hours of engine running in a short period of real time. Then they’ll drain the oil, analyze it, tear down the engine, analyze it, etc. Then they’ll do it again. They’ll probably do it on several engines and maybe at several different RPMs. Because the engine will be running close to one RPM all the time instead of changing based on speeds, etc, they won’t be able to use the previous testing. After they’ve gathered all of those data, the engineers will be able to recommend a maintenance schedule. That will be adjusted by the actuaries to account for errors in the data, for risk analysis, and to balance cost-to-consumer vs profit-to-Scout.

If I were on the engineering team, I could write the maintenance schedule in hours of engine runtime instead of in miles because that’s the more valid independent variable. But I don’t know if Scout is willing to break with the automobile tradition. They could get away with it since their history is in farm machinery, which uses hours instead of miles.

 

[Jasco]

Completely agree but also this is a 4 cyl ICE engine. Wouldn’t it stand to reason it would need the normal maintenance that a 4 cyl ICE engine would need. Oil changes and the like.

Well let's take stock:

• Engine Oil & Oil Filter
• Engine Air Filter
• Coolant
• Sparkplugs & wires
• Fuel filter
• Fuel injectors
• Belts & hoses
• Exhaust system
• Sensors including ECUs, Mass Airflow, O2, Oil pressure and many more
• ...

The bigger question might be access to the ICE to perform maintenance so there is a lot to unpack here but all in due time. The duty cycle will also be different than a traditional ICE engine so hopefully the maintenance schedule would reflect that, however slight the change may be. Typing this makes me glad BEV is my preference though EREV certrainly has its use case.

 

[Chaz26]

I assume if it has a similar maintenance schedule of ICE cars of say 5,000 miles / 6 months that it will have to log how many miles are done with the engine running. I imagine a lot of people would be based on time rather than miles driven since a lot of day to day driving will be on EV only. Also, thinking about it, if the generator uses a fairly consistent rpm to charge the battery then maybe the maintenance schedule will be based on either 6 months or hours used, since there won't be much difference between using it for 250 hours on the highway at 70 mph vs just using it to charge the battery if stationary when camping for example, unless I'm misunderstanding how it will work.

 

[cyure]

I assume if it has a similar maintenance schedule of ICE cars of say 5,000 miles / 6 months that it will have to log how many miles are done with the engine running. I imagine a lot of people would be based on time rather than miles driven since a lot of day to day driving will be on EV only. Also, thinking about it, if the generator uses a fairly consistent rpm to charge the battery then maybe the maintenance schedule will be based on either 6 months or hours used, since there won't be much difference between using it for 250 hours on the highway at 70 mph vs just using it to charge the battery if stationary when camping for example, unless I'm misunderstanding how it will work.

My Jeep is too old to have a feature where it tells me it’s needs service, but I would assume the Scout can keep track of that and notify the owner when maintenance is needed.

And all of this is why I really have no interest in having a EREV. The BEV just seems simpler to me and as I get older I’m all for simple.

 

[BeerParty]

If I were on the engineering team, I could write the maintenance schedule in hours of engine runtime instead of in miles because that’s the more valid independent variable. But I don’t know if Scout is willing to break with the automobile tradition. They could get away with it since their history is in farm machinery, which uses hours instead of miles.

In the EREV, using hours of engine run time instead of miles driven will certainly be the best way to schedule the oil changes. It will be easier with Scout's vehicles because of the modern computer interface. The computer will be able to track the Harvester's run-time and notify the driver when they are getting close to needing an oil change.

 

[J Alynn]

It does. It might be a bit different from the standard 6 month / 7500 miles that those 4-cylinder engines have now, but it won’t be that different.

They need to run the engine for the equivalent of 6 months and 12 months, or for whatever time frame the’ve decided the engine typically would need an oil change if it were in a standard ICE vehicle. But they will compress that. For example, if the typical driving time each day is 75 minutes, with say 240 minutes of driving on the weekends, that’s 855 minutes each week, 22,230 minutes every six months, 44,460 minutes a year and about 7500 miles every six months. To run their tests, they’ll run the engine for (maybe) 75 minutes on, 75 minutes off, 75 minutes on, etc. to achieve the same number of hours of engine running in a short period of real time. Then they’ll drain the oil, analyze it, tear down the engine, analyze it, etc. Then they’ll do it again. They’ll probably do it on several engines and maybe at several different RPMs. Because the engine will be running close to one RPM all the time instead of changing based on speeds, etc, they won’t be able to use the previous testing. After they’ve gathered all of those data, the engineers will be able to recommend a maintenance schedule. That will be adjusted by the actuaries to account for errors in the data, for risk analysis, and to balance cost-to-consumer vs profit-to-Scout.

If I were on the engineering team, I could write the maintenance schedule in hours of engine runtime instead of in miles because that’s the more valid independent variable. But I don’t know if Scout is willing to break with the automobile tradition. They could get away with it since their history is in farm machinery, which uses hours instead of miles.

Similar to hours tracked on my riding mower. Same idea

 

[BearScout]

With all I have learned on this forum, looking at my driving use cases, and the fact that EVs are a lot less maintenance I have officially switched my reservation to a BEV. I’m on the EV bandwagon!

Now there’s been lots of discussion about which will come first, EREV or BEV. Let’s say the BEV comes out first could Scout offer something to entice EREV reservation holders to take the leap and buy a BEV.

What would it take to get you EREV reservation holders to purchase the BEV? A free home charger? Money towards the installation? Buy a BEV and get moved to the front of the line for an EREV (Rivian was doing that. If you leased an R1 it got you moved to the front of the line for an R2. They told me that when I test drove one last year).

What do you all think? You fence sitters what would push you over the edge??

How do you switch your reservation? I thought we had to wait until much later in the process and then we would have the option to make a change.

 

[cyure]

How do you switch your reservation? I thought we had to wait until much later in the process and then we would have the option to make a change.

Hello. Not sure I have said welcome to the community or not yet. If not, welcome. We can change now if we like. It doesn’t change our reservation number or place in line. This is how I did it.

Through my computer I went to the Scout Motors website. I went to log in. Put in my email address and it sent me a code to my email. Put in the code from my email address and it brought up my reservation. Click on edit reservation and you can pick any of the choices. It will not change your reservation number or place in line.

 

[BearScout]

Hello. Not sure I have said welcome to the community or not yet. If not, welcome. We can change now if we like. It doesn’t change our reservation number or place in line. This is how I did it.

Through my computer I went to the Scout Motors website. I went to log in. Put in my email address and it sent me a code to my email. Put in the code from my email address and it brought up my reservation. Click on edit reservation and you can pick any of the choices. It will not change your reservation number or place in line.

Awesome! Thanks for your help I really appreciate it!