I'm going to try to gas light myself about batteries and range

[Chavannigans]

I've been a bit of a tech junkie for years.

In high school I had a job and purchased an HTC Wing (Windows Mobile Phone) on my own and loved having the Internet in the palm of my hands. I could pull up MySpace without a computer which was pretty mindblowing as a kid in that era.
Later when the first iPhone launched I jumped on it and have had every generation since then. It was silly but at 18 I had two phone lines so I could upgrade each year

I've always gravitated to the Plus and Pro Max models due to their larger batteries. I'm not a content creator or gamer so those specs don't really speak to me. My battery anxiety however has been a thing with me since I was little, so I ponied up the extra cash for the big ones for that extra juice. Always had chargers, cables, battery chargers etc. on hand but having the largest battery possible was always my top priority. I don't know why but a device running out of battery just makes me feel some kind of way.

This year I am trying to prepare myself for potentially going full BEV in the future. I am still considering the Harvester generator for various reasons but I am trying to be open minded.

So in the spirit of embracing change and the future, I pre-ordered the iPhone Air.

What does this have to do with an EV? Well nothing really. But it's a big change for me.

It's sleek, super thin, lighter than my previous phones, but also has a much smaller battery than the Pro Maxs.

My career journey has provided me the privilege of spending a majority of time at my desk when we don't have major projects going on. I nearly always have a charger available around me somewhere, so I am trying to change the way I think about keeping a device charged instead of lasting all day without plugging it in.

What prompted this recently was my GX470's fuel mileage dropping from 14.7mpg to 11.5mpg since I installed 33" tires, and my fuel range dipped from 280 miles to 256 miles per tank. I noticed that I loved the way the new tires feel, the added stability from their extra width, but haven't really sweated the range drop at all.

With the BEV models offering a range closer to 350 miles I may not need "Pro Max" version with the Harvester.

We will see how this goes, but I am going to see if this small change can help shift the way I view EV range and batteries as a whole.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Fun experiment!

 

[Chavannigans]

Fun experiment!

We will see how it goes. It's one of many baby steps on my EV journey.

Years ago I scoffed at EVs and dreamed of importing a diesel 70 Series Land Cruiser Troopy, but over time I have seen EV performance surpase ICE vehicles in almost every measurable way.

The spec sheet is what brought me here moreso than sustainability and ideals.

But if a BEV makes more sense, that will probably be what I end up with.

 

[J Alynn]

I've been a bit of a tech junkie for years.

In high school I had a job and purchased an HTC Wing (Windows Mobile Phone) on my own and loved having the Internet in the palm of my hands. I could pull up MySpace without a computer which was pretty mindblowing as a kid in that era.
Later when the first iPhone launched I jumped on it and have had every generation since then. It was silly but at 18 I had two phone lines so I could upgrade each year

I've always gravitated to the Plus and Pro Max models due to their larger batteries. I'm not a content creator or gamer so those specs don't really speak to me. My battery anxiety however has been a thing with me since I was little, so I ponied up the extra cash for the big ones for that extra juice. Always had chargers, cables, battery chargers etc. on hand but having the largest battery possible was always my top priority. I don't know why but a device running out of battery just makes me feel some kind of way.

This year I am trying to prepare myself for potentially going full BEV in the future. I am still considering the Harvester generator for various reasons but I am trying to be open minded.

So in the spirit of embracing change and the future, I pre-ordered the iPhone Air.

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What does this have to do with an EV? Well nothing really. But it's a big change for me.

It's sleek, super thin, lighter than my previous phones, but also has a much smaller battery than the Pro Maxs.

My career journey has provided me the privilege of spending a majority of time at my desk when we don't have major projects going on. I nearly always have a charger available around me somewhere, so I am trying to change the way I think about keeping a device charged instead of lasting all day without plugging it in.

What prompted this recently was my GX470's fuel mileage dropping from 14.7mpg to 11.5mpg since I installed 33" tires, and my fuel range dipped from 280 miles to 256 miles per tank. I noticed that I loved the way the new tires feel, the added stability from their extra width, but haven't really sweated the range drop at all.

With the BEV models offering a range closer to 350 miles I may not need "Pro Max" version with the Harvester.

We will see how this goes, but I am going to see if this small change can help shift the way I view EV range and batteries as a whole.

I feel like you were laying on the couch with your counselor telling us this. It’s great-not mocking-it’s amazing as we change by age or education/experience, like this forum and be open with yourself to consider the change is awesome. I’ve come around as well and look forward to going to a BEV as my daily driver

 

[dreamweaver]

I feel like you were laying on the couch with your counselor telling us this. It’s great-not mocking-it’s amazing as we change by age or education/experience, like this forum and be open with yourself to consider the change is awesome. I’ve come around as well and look forward to going to a BEV as my daily driver

I am all in on BEV Traveler.

 

[Coyle70]

I've been a bit of a tech junkie for years.

In high school I had a job and purchased an HTC Wing (Windows Mobile Phone) on my own and loved having the Internet in the palm of my hands. I could pull up MySpace without a computer which was pretty mindblowing as a kid in that era.
Later when the first iPhone launched I jumped on it and have had every generation since then. It was silly but at 18 I had two phone lines so I could upgrade each year

I've always gravitated to the Plus and Pro Max models due to their larger batteries. I'm not a content creator or gamer so those specs don't really speak to me. My battery anxiety however has been a thing with me since I was little, so I ponied up the extra cash for the big ones for that extra juice. Always had chargers, cables, battery chargers etc. on hand but having the largest battery possible was always my top priority. I don't know why but a device running out of battery just makes me feel some kind of way.

This year I am trying to prepare myself for potentially going full BEV in the future. I am still considering the Harvester generator for various reasons but I am trying to be open minded.

So in the spirit of embracing change and the future, I pre-ordered the iPhone Air.

View attachment 8840

What does this have to do with an EV? Well nothing really. But it's a big change for me.

It's sleek, super thin, lighter than my previous phones, but also has a much smaller battery than the Pro Maxs.

My career journey has provided me the privilege of spending a majority of time at my desk when we don't have major projects going on. I nearly always have a charger available around me somewhere, so I am trying to change the way I think about keeping a device charged instead of lasting all day without plugging it in.

What prompted this recently was my GX470's fuel mileage dropping from 14.7mpg to 11.5mpg since I installed 33" tires, and my fuel range dipped from 280 miles to 256 miles per tank. I noticed that I loved the way the new tires feel, the added stability from their extra width, but haven't really sweated the range drop at all.

With the BEV models offering a range closer to 350 miles I may not need "Pro Max" version with the Harvester.

We will see how this goes, but I am going to see if this small change can help shift the way I view EV range and batteries as a whole.

I too am now considering a BEV since charging is now down to 20 min or so.
Actually stopping on my 500 mile trips to eat and check out new areas may be a nice change. Try not to let myself feel rushed

 

[dreamweaver]

I too am now considering a BEV since charging is now down to 20 min or so.
Actually stopping on my 500 mile trips to eat and check out new areas may be a nice change. Try not to let myself feel rushed

Kind'a stop and smell the roses moment. Good for you.

 

[J Alynn]

Kind'a stop and smell the roses moment. Good for you.

Diddo. Love seeing others like myself get converted to BEV.

 

[Chavannigans]

I feel like you were laying on the couch with your counselor telling us this. It’s great-not mocking-it’s amazing as we change by age or education/experience, like this forum and be open with yourself to consider the change is awesome. I’ve come around as well and look forward to going to a BEV as my daily driver

@SpaceEVDriver mixes the Kool-ade a little too well.

I blame that brainy a**hole for this existential crisis with all their science numbers and overall wizardry.

 

[dreamweaver]

@SpaceEVDriver mixes the Kool-ade a little too well.

I blame that brainy a**hole for this existential crisis with all their science numbers and overall wizardry.

Don't we all.

 

[Chuckles]

@SpaceEVDriver mixes the Kool-ade a little too well.

I blame that brainy a**hole for this existential crisis with all their science numbers and overall wizardry.

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Fun fact: Kool-Aid was not the beverage at Jonestown. It was Flavor Aid. Knowing that made it difficult for me to buy into the premise of The Studio TV show.

 

[THil08]

I've been a bit of a tech junkie for years.

In high school I had a job and purchased an HTC Wing (Windows Mobile Phone) on my own and loved having the Internet in the palm of my hands. I could pull up MySpace without a computer which was pretty mindblowing as a kid in that era.
Later when the first iPhone launched I jumped on it and have had every generation since then. It was silly but at 18 I had two phone lines so I could upgrade each year

I've always gravitated to the Plus and Pro Max models due to their larger batteries. I'm not a content creator or gamer so those specs don't really speak to me. My battery anxiety however has been a thing with me since I was little, so I ponied up the extra cash for the big ones for that extra juice. Always had chargers, cables, battery chargers etc. on hand but having the largest battery possible was always my top priority. I don't know why but a device running out of battery just makes me feel some kind of way.

This year I am trying to prepare myself for potentially going full BEV in the future. I am still considering the Harvester generator for various reasons but I am trying to be open minded.

So in the spirit of embracing change and the future, I pre-ordered the iPhone Air.

View attachment 8840

What does this have to do with an EV? Well nothing really. But it's a big change for me.

It's sleek, super thin, lighter than my previous phones, but also has a much smaller battery than the Pro Maxs.

My career journey has provided me the privilege of spending a majority of time at my desk when we don't have major projects going on. I nearly always have a charger available around me somewhere, so I am trying to change the way I think about keeping a device charged instead of lasting all day without plugging it in.

What prompted this recently was my GX470's fuel mileage dropping from 14.7mpg to 11.5mpg since I installed 33" tires, and my fuel range dipped from 280 miles to 256 miles per tank. I noticed that I loved the way the new tires feel, the added stability from their extra width, but haven't really sweated the range drop at all.

With the BEV models offering a range closer to 350 miles I may not need "Pro Max" version with the Harvester.

We will see how this goes, but I am going to see if this small change can help shift the way I view EV range and batteries as a whole.

Well if the battery isn't enough for you, Apple like Scout offers a range extender.

 

[chucchinchilla]

I've mentioned this before but there's a very simple exercise you can do to determine what your life will be like with BEV...look at your gas station receipts online (bank, credit card, etc.). Over the last two years, how many fill ups did you do at the same local gas station? How many were elsewhere and of those filled up elsewhere...were they in your metro area or were they on road trips?

All the local fill ups plus ones in your metro area will just move to charging in your driveway. Those road trips will then need some slicing and dicing. Take a couple of those road trips you've done over the last 2 years and play out what they'd look like given range and charge infrastructure along the way. That coupled with a thoughtful look into future use cases should give you a pretty solid idea.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

@SpaceEVDriver mixes the Kool-ade a little too well.

I blame that brainy a**hole for this existential crisis with all their science numbers and overall wizardry.

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Somehow this didn’t show up in my notifications.

I’m happy to hear I’ve created a space for reconsiderations!

I know that today EVs aren't yet for everyone based on location, use cases, etc. But I do believe they’re more accessible and useful than many people think on first consideration.

Also, I’m happy to hear my ridiculous maths and other posts aren’t scaring people away.

 

[Chavannigans]

Well if the battery isn't enough for you, Apple like Scout offers a range extender.

LMAO
I got one of those too, but I was going to see how long I could go without using it.

Fun fact: Kool-Aid was not the beverage at Jonestown. It was Flavor Aid. Knowing that made it difficult for me to buy into the premise of The Studio TV show.

Damn they didnt even go out on the good stuff.

I've mentioned this before but there's a very simple exercise you can do to determine what your life will be like with BEV...look at your gas station receipts online (bank, credit card, etc.). Over the last two years, how many fill ups did you do at the same local gas station? How many were elsewhere and of those filled up elsewhere...were they in your metro area or were they on road trips?

All the local fill ups plus ones in your metro area will just move to charging in your driveway. Those road trips will then need some slicing and dicing. Take a couple of those road trips you've done over the last 2 years and play out what they'd look like given range and charge infrastructure along the way. That coupled with a thoughtful look into future use cases should give you a pretty solid idea.

My concern is accessing more remote areas. But the day to day is definitely a consideration. I fill up twice a week at random places. Its probably convenient to not have to stop but I dont mind the ritual.

The savings in fuel is definitely going to be realized for me pretty quickly though. 11.4mpg is a low bar lol

Somehow this didn’t show up in my notifications.

I’m happy to hear I’ve created a space for reconsiderations!

I know that today EVs aren't yet for everyone based on location, use cases, etc. But I do believe they’re more accessible and useful than many people think on first consideration.

Also, I’m happy to hear my ridiculous maths and other posts aren’t scaring people away.

I dont understand half of what you say, but I believe you.

Its been extremely helpful with demystifying a lot of my prior misconceptions.

 

[chucchinchilla]

My concern is accessing more remote areas. But the day to day is definitely a consideration. I fill up twice a week at random places. Its probably convenient to not have to stop but I dont mind the ritual.

The savings in fuel is definitely going to be realized for me pretty quickly though. 11.4mpg is a low bar lol

Yeah especially in your part of the world that's a challenge. Interstate travel is not a problem as there are plenty of fast chargers, L2s exist at many hotels in rural areas...but if you run into a broken L2 or they're all taken you'll be in for a bad time. I'm confident I can make BEV work here in California, I wouldn't be as confident if I lived in East Texas constantly going into rural places like Big Bend....but then again that's how the infrastructure is set up today, by the time these Scouts come along you'll have even more places to charge.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

My concern is accessing more remote areas.

Yeah especially in your part of the world that's a challenge. Interstate travel is not a problem as there are plenty of fast chargers, L2s exist at many hotels in rural areas...but if you run into a broken L2 or they're all taken you'll be in for a bad time. I'm confident I can make BEV work here in California, I wouldn't be as confident if I lived in East Texas constantly going into rural places like Big Bend....but then again that's how the infrastructure is set up today, by the time these Scouts come along you'll have even more places to charge.

I’ve only been to Texas with my EV once.

I took the Mustang from northern Arizona to Amarillo and stayed the night. The hotel had L2 so I was able to get to 100% charge. Then I took the 40 to Erick, charged up a bit while I used the restroom, then stair-stepped down through farmland to Denton. I charged in Denton. From Denton, I took the 45 to Huntsville and charged. Then went on to Houston. I was there for a week and charged at local L2s whenever I needed and got to 100% before leaving. From Houston, I went to Austin. I ended up being routed to downtown Austin during SXSW and couldn’t access the charger there. So I headed up north to the Round Rock Outlets. Charged there and headed along the 29 west to Junction. I stayed the night at an RV campsite at The Caverns of Sonora and charged to less than 100% but more than 90% (I’d have to check my notes). From there, I took the 10 to Fort Stockton, El Paso, then to Lordsburg, NM and along the 70 to Globe, AZ.

Overall, it was a pretty easy trip. But, yes, there’s plenty of charging along the interstates and I never had any real concern about range. The drive through farmland and off the interstates was at 55 mph or less. Easy-peasy and lots of great efficiency at that speed.

 

[Chavannigans]

Yeah especially in your part of the world that's a challenge. Interstate travel is not a problem as there are plenty of fast chargers, L2s exist at many hotels in rural areas...but if you run into a broken L2 or they're all taken you'll be in for a bad time. I'm confident I can make BEV work here in California, I wouldn't be as confident if I lived in East Texas constantly going into rural places like Big Bend....but then again that's how the infrastructure is set up today, by the time these Scouts come along you'll have even more places to charge.

Arent you just a little ray of sunshine?

Thats very true though.

More and more chargers going in every day across the country will offer a more mature charging experience once these things come out.

I will definitely be installing a Level II at home either way, and was surprised to see some Tesla chargers in the city I commute to. I believe I will have a better experience than I think I will.

Just get my panties in a bunch about remote camping locations and major storms causing power outages.


For what its worth I have pretty severe anxiety and PTSD, so I can just spiral with hypotheticals. A lot of it is just in my head.

 

[chucchinchilla]

Arent you just a little ray of sunshine?

Thats very true though.

More and more chargers going in every day across the country will offer a more mature charging experience once these things come out.

I will definitely be installing a Level II at home either way, and was surprised to see some Tesla chargers in the city I commute to. I believe I will have a better experience than I think I will.

Just get my panties in a bunch about remote camping locations and major storms causing power outages.


For what its worth I have pretty severe anxiety and PTSD, so I can just spiral with hypotheticals. A lot of it is just in my head.

Ok here's some good news, with research those rural areas can be conquered even Big Bend as long as you're okay charging overnight on an L2 at a hotel/RV park somewhere. Say you lived in Midland-Odessa. Drive to Terlingua, charge on L2 overnight at an RV park, boom you're good to go. If you feel nervous you could top it off in Alpine while on the way.

Having a Level 2 at home is key to success and super easy. All we did was have a 240V outlet installed next to our driveway and simply plug in the charger to that. As for storms causing power outgages, since gas stations also don't work without power either I think it's a moot point.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Arent you just a little ray of sunshine?

Thats very true though.

More and more chargers going in every day across the country will offer a more mature charging experience once these things come out.

I will definitely be installing a Level II at home either way, and was surprised to see some Tesla chargers in the city I commute to. I believe I will have a better experience than I think I will.

Just get my panties in a bunch about remote camping locations and major storms causing power outages.


For what its worth I have pretty severe anxiety and PTSD, so I can just spiral with hypotheticals. A lot of it is just in my head.

I have paralyzing anxiety if I don’t spend time going through hypotheticals. It’s bad enough that I often can’t do a new thing unless I have over-analyzed the possibilities.

I spent two years running various models before we bought our first EV. Going from driving hybrids for 20 years to an EV was not without a major amount of anxiety for me. The process involved a lot of reading battery degradation science papers—and a dozen other topics—at one point I wrote a summary of all that I’d read and set it aside for six months so I could come back to it to re-read and analyze it with a fresh perspective. I spent months analyzing what-ifs for on-the-road troubles; creating mathematical models of the costs associated with every little thing related to EV vs ICE; asking people who had EVs what their experiences were; running models of charging scenarios to see if we would be able to make it work.

I also then spent months re-analyzing things because everything looked too good to be true.

In the end, all of that energy expended resulted in very little anxiety while on the road. We’ve had a few times where things could have gone better, but we had also had similar experiences with ICE vehicles.