Overbuild the tailgate swingout!

[Hedrock]

For the Travelers equipped with the spare tire swingout/gas can mount, please build it to reliably handle more than just that weight.

It would be nice to be able to have enough safety factor to just add on more mounting points for more stuff - more fuel cans, water, traction boards, shovels, jacks, trash bags, firewood, what have you - without the hinges or latch having problems or the swingout rattling excessively.

This has been an issue for Broncos where adding much extra weight tweaks or cracks the hinges, or bends the whole tailgate.

 

[J Alynn]

It was implied at reveal that it was being heavily engineered to allow for more weight but I have no idea to what extent. Completely makes sense to allow it to handle extra weight for storage as many will want to add things for overlanding

 

[oldgeeksguide]

It was implied at reveal that it was being heavily engineered to allow for more weight but I have no idea to what extent. Completely makes sense to allow it to handle extra weight for storage as many will want to add things for overlanding

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen at least one pic with a gas can added to the swing arm.

 

[dreamweaver]

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen at least one pic with a gas can added to the swing arm.

Here is one.

 

[cyure]

Here is one.

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I do agree that it needs to be reinforced from the factory. I know they will have it able to hold 35s since that’s an option from factory but extra weight since it’s billed as get out and do things is probably a good idea.

One of the reasons I didn’t get 35s on my Wrangler is the gate couldn’t support that weight without me doing something to provide extra support. That’s why you see Wranglers with added cages supporting those giant tires. They told me a 35 would eventually pull my gate off.

 

[dreamweaver]

I do agree that it needs to be reinforced from the factory. I know they will have it able to hold 35s since that’s an option from factory but extra weight since it’s billed as get out and do things is probably a good idea.

One of the reasons I didn’t get 35s on my Wrangler is the gate couldn’t support that weight without me doing something to provide extra support. That’s why you see Wranglers with added cages supporting those giant tires. They told me a 35 would eventually pull my gate off.

Will on one hand it was great that they at least told you not to do it and what the consequences would be. On the other hand why would they not design it with 35's and a gas can in mind at the very least, considering what the Wrangler was bill as....... OFF ROADING.

 

[cyure]

Will on one hand it was great that they at least told you not to do it and what the consequences would be. On the other hand why would they not design it with 35's and and gas can in mind at the very least, considering what the Wrangler was bill as....... OFF ROADING.

Exactly. If you buy one with 35s from factory now it’s reinforced. Older ones I don’t know if they did.

If you look at the brackets on a sport let’s say the hinges are much smaller than the hinges on a Rubicon that comes with 35s from factory, The hinges are bigger and you can tell they are designed differently.

And I asked a million questions to a million different off-road guys and the dealer and tire people. There’s a tire shop 45 minutes from me that has been there since the 60s. That guy was the first one who said you can’t go bigger than a 285 without lifting because it will rub and you have to do a -12 offset to make the 285 work so you can’t get any wheel you want. and he’s the one who said oh that 35 will eventually pull your gate off. We get all our tires there now for obvious reasons. And I got 285s with a -12 offset and other than the Wrangler death wobble at high speeds because of the offset I don’t have any other issues.

That’s why I’m very happy my Scout will come from the factory built for 35s.

 

[cyure]

Exactly. If you buy one with 35s from factory now it’s reinforced. Older ones I don’t know if they did.

If you look at the brackets on a sport let’s say the hinges are much smaller than the hinges on a Rubicon that comes with 35s from factory, The hinges are bigger and you can tell they are designed differently.

And I asked a million questions to a million different off-road guys and the dealer and tire people. There’s a tire shop 45 minutes from me that has been there since the 60s. That guy was the first one who said you can’t go bigger than a 285 without lifting because it will rub and you have to do a -12 offset to make the 285 work so you can’t get any wheel you want. and he’s the one who said oh that 35 will eventually pull your gate off. We get all our tires there now for obvious reasons. And I got 285s with a -12 offset and other than the Wrangler death wobble at high speeds because of the offset I don’t have any other issues.

That’s why I’m very happy my Scout will come from the factory built for 35s.

No more death wobble!!

 

[dreamweaver]

No more death wobble!!

I have been in one as a passenger when it started that "death wobble" it is very unnerving. I really lost confidence in its highway worthiness.

 

[cyure]

I have been in one as a passenger when it started that "death wobble" it is very unnerving. I really lost confidence in its highway worthiness.

It’s a Jeep thing. It’s really fine.

 

[Hedrock]

Will on one hand it was great that they at least told you not to do it and what the consequences would be. On the other hand why would they not design it with 35's and a gas can in mind at the very least, considering what the Wrangler was bill as....... OFF ROADING.

This is EXACTLY why I posted this. I see the media pics with a 35 and a single can and all I can think of is “man I better not have to reinforce it just to hold a second fuel can or, god willing, a 37”.

Imagine throwing a trash bag and some firewood and a second can on there and having it crack or bend something…

 

[cyure]

This is EXACTLY why I posted this. I see the media pics with a 35 and a single can and all I can think of is “man I better not have to reinforce it just to hold a second fuel can or, god willing, a 37”.

Imagine throwing a trash bag and some firewood and a second can on there and having it crack or bend something…

Or make options. For me one sufficient to support a 35 and just a little more is fine. I’m not planning on 37s. But have the rugged options or something that will hold a 37 and however many pounds of gear is appropriate for people who are going out in the wilderness.

 

[J Alynn]

Or make options. For me one sufficient to support a 35 and just a little more is fine. I’m not planning on 37s. But have the rugged options or something that will hold a 37 and however many pounds of gear is appropriate for people who are going out in the wilderness.

Keep in mind you are going to have a frunk in these vehicles so some of that stuff can be packed in and also be kept out of weather. Dry frunk wood would be nice after a wet ride

 

[cyure]

Keep in mind you are going to have a frunk in these vehicles so some of that stuff can be packed in and also be kept out of weather. Dry frunk wood would be nice after a wet ride

I keep forgetting I will have a frunk.

 

[R1TVT]

Frunk tip... I cleared the top section of my frunk out over the weekend to deliver pizza to a team of hungry HS kids. The R1T frunk has a false floor with additional storage underneath, so this was just using the top section. Holds 12 pizzas perfectly and keeps them warm! The 13th small pizza had to take a ride up-front though.

 

[AlanL]

Keep in mind you are going to have a frunk in these vehicles so some of that stuff can be packed in and also be kept out of weather. Dry frunk wood would be nice after a wet ride

I think you were at the reveal? Do you have an idea if the frunk can hold a 33? It looks like the rear spare carrier will not clear a trailer tongue jack, we use the back of our Pilot as workspace when hitching and unhitching.

 

[Hedrock]

I keep forgetting I will have a frunk.

Same lmao. I guess new feature request: good drains in the frunk so I can hose it out after dumping all my muddy and wet gear in it

 

[J Alynn]

I think you were at the reveal? Do you have an idea if the frunk can hold a 33? It looks like the rear spare carrier will not clear a trailer tongue jack, we use the back of our Pilot as workspace when hitching and unhitching.

We debated this at the reveal. The “finished” frunk area on the reveal prototypes was noted as not complete and just for show but what they show is intended to be very similar. With that said i just don’t see it fitting. Very early on we had a lot of discussions on this forum about the same ideas-slot in vertically, slide out tray and other variations but it just seems too tight. I guess maybe if they offered a spare carrier compartment option and designed the “bin” specifically for a wheel-maybe????? But if that were an option I don’t think you’d get much of anything else under the hood-but that may be fine for many. But it would legitimately require a completely different insert-so to speak to shoehorn in anything other than a spare donut which wouldn’t do much for most drivers.

 

[AlanL]

We debated this at the reveal. The “finished” frunk area on the reveal prototypes was noted as not complete and just for show but what they show is intended to be very similar. With that said i just don’t see it fitting. Very early on we had a lot of discussions on this forum about the same ideas-slot in vertically, slide out tray and other variations but it just seems too tight. I guess maybe if they offered a spare carrier compartment option and designed the “bin” specifically for a wheel-maybe????? But if that were an option I don’t think you’d get much of anything else under the hood-but that may be fine for many. But it would legitimately require a completely different insert-so to speak to shoehorn in anything other than a spare donut which wouldn’t do much for most drivers.

Thanks for the info. One more thing to add to the wait and see list. For us dedicating the frunk to the spare when towing would be fine. Maybe even desirable since it would offset some weight distribution loss on the front axle. The way we'll use our Traveler even 31" all terrain tires would be ok, maybe that could be squeezed in. One can hope. We absolutely want a matching full sized spare.

 

[R1TVT]

Do you have an idea if the frunk can hold a 33? It looks like the rear spare carrier will not clear a trailer tongue jack, we use the back of our Pilot as workspace when hitching and unhitching.

You would need a massively disproportionate front-end to accommodate a 33 in a frunk. For reference, i would need about 10 more inches of length just to manage to fit the spare in my Frunk, plus you would need some sort of bracket, mounting and retention system, so likely more like 15". The nose of the Scout would have to be stretched like a limo with a hottub, I'm. afraid