User programmable starting option

[Coyle70]

I live in an area where RFID fob cars are becoming commonly cloned stolen.
I suggest a user programmable start sequence option. Example “foot on brake,right turn signal on before start button would work.” Steps to start should be end users choice.

 

[bsddrake]

I live in an area where RFID fob cars are becoming commonly cloned stolen.
I suggest a user programmable start sequence option. Example “foot on brake,right turn signal on before start button would work.” Steps to start should be end users choice.

I like this idea, so this is more of an add on comment than any kind of argument. A numeric passcode on the screen would likely be simpler to implement and have a much larger key space than using combination of discrete switches. Extra security points would be awarded to Scout if they put a virtual scramble pad on the screen so the numbers are in a different place every time. This prevents someone from being able to watch the input code or look for finger prints on the screen to guess a code, or observe a pattern.
Admittedly, your idea is much cooler, though anyone from outside the vehicle would guess the pattern you used as an example. Now you have me thinking of ways to implement that as an immobilizer on my own car, lol.

 

[J Alynn]

I like this idea, so this is more of an add on comment than any kind of argument. A numeric passcode on the screen would likely be simpler to implement and have a much larger key space than using combination of discrete switches. Extra security points would be awarded to Scout if they put a virtual scramble pad on the screen so the numbers are in a different place every time. This prevents someone from being able to watch the input code or look for finger prints on the screen to guess a code, or observe a pattern.
Admittedly, your idea is much cooler, though anyone from outside the vehicle would guess the pattern you used as an example. Now you have me thinking of ways to implement that as an immobilizer on my own car, lol.

Love the idea of a random pattern keypad code. We all do it on our cell phones already so just a touch more thinking to find the numbers. Call me naive but I park in the garage and my office lot is more than safe. I wouldn’t need it all the time but hey-if I was going into Philly for a day it would be nice to activate that feature and apply that code approach

 

[Albal]

Love the idea of a random pattern keypad code. We all do it on our cell phones already so just a touch more thinking to find the numbers. Call me naive but I park in the garage and my office lot is more than safe. I wouldn’t need it all the time but hey-if I was going into Philly for a day it would be nice to activate that feature and apply that code approach

Could be geofenced so it doesn’t activate in spots you know are safe

 

[THil08]

Love the idea of a random pattern keypad code. We all do it on our cell phones already so just a touch more thinking to find the numbers. Call me naive but I park in the garage and my office lot is more than safe. I wouldn’t need it all the time but hey-if I was going into Philly for a day it would be nice to activate that feature and apply that code approach

Philly, Trenton, Camden. Lol. Three Beautiful Cities with great Areas deep down in them.

 

[bsddrake]

Could be geofenced so it doesn’t activate in spots you know are safe

Ohhh, yeah, that's good thinking, that would be relatively easy to make happen based on the architecture that I've seen in the videos.

 

[J Alynn]

Philly, Trenton, Camden. Lol. Three Beautiful Cities with great Areas deep down in them.

Theee areas not to visit after dark. Freak it like vampires and carry at least one side arm

 

[dreamweaver]

I like this idea, so this is more of an add on comment than any kind of argument. A numeric passcode on the screen would likely be simpler to implement and have a much larger key space than using combination of discrete switches. Extra security points would be awarded to Scout if they put a virtual scramble pad on the screen so the numbers are in a different place every time. This prevents someone from being able to watch the input code or look for finger prints on the screen to guess a code, or observe a pattern.
Admittedly, your idea is much cooler, though anyone from outside the vehicle would guess the pattern you used as an example. Now you have me thinking of ways to implement that as an immobilizer on my own car, lol.

I like the scramble pad idea. Simple but effective.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

I live in an area where RFID fob cars are becoming commonly cloned stolen.
I suggest a user programmable start sequence option. Example “foot on brake,right turn signal on before start button would work.” Steps to start should be end users choice.

It's likely not necessary, EVs typically don't get stolen because the overseas markets don't have charging infrastructure. That will be even more true when all EVs in North America have NACS connectors (which Scout will have) because that particular plug is only a thing here in North America. It's much easier for criminals to steal gas Tacomas, they'll leave the Scout alone until all the low-hanging gas Tacomas are gone.

 

[BeerParty]

I like this idea, so this is more of an add on comment than any kind of argument. A numeric passcode on the screen would likely be simpler to implement and have a much larger key space than using combination of discrete switches. Extra security points would be awarded to Scout if they put a virtual scramble pad on the screen so the numbers are in a different place every time. This prevents someone from being able to watch the input code or look for finger prints on the screen to guess a code, or observe a pattern.
Admittedly, your idea is much cooler, though anyone from outside the vehicle would guess the pattern you used as an example. Now you have me thinking of ways to implement that as an immobilizer on my own car, lol.

I like the idea of an optional key code security requirement on the screen. But it doesn't need to be complicated with a scrambled keypad - it is a touchscreen for the car's features. The screen is going to get touched all over and smeared if they use swiping gestures in the interface. This is not a case where a bad guy would be able to figure out the numbers based on where the screen was touched.

If you want to add complexity - how about support for different profiles with different codes? That way you could add a "limited speed" profile with its own code for valet parking or child drivers. And you could create guest profiles with their own codes for owners that are willing to loan out their trucks.

And if you want it to be really secure and are worried about stolen codes, Scout could provide the option of using OTP (One Time Password) security with your phone.

 

[bsddrake]

I like the idea of an optional key code security requirement on the screen. But it doesn't need to be complicated with a scrambled keypad - it is a touchscreen for the car's features. The screen is going to get touched all over and smeared if they use swiping gestures in the interface. This is not a case where a bad guy would be able to figure out the numbers based on where the screen was touched.

If you want to add complexity - how about support for different profiles with different codes? That way you could add a "limited speed" profile with its own code for valet parking or child drivers. And you could create guest profiles with their own codes for owners that are willing to loan out their trucks.

And if you want it to be really secure and are worried about stolen codes, Scout could provide the option of using OTP (One Time Password) security with your phone.

Optional for sure. I like the idea of separate driving profiles. I've gotten into a lot of devices by looking at the smudges where I know that pin is punched in, that's why I brought that up. In the end, I really trust Scout's judgement. Admittedly, I'm also happy for them to make the simplest vehicle they can, so you don't have to keep a laptop in your toolbox like with most modern cars.

 

[dreamweaver]

Optional for sure. I like the idea of separate driving profiles. I've gotten into a lot of devices by looking at the smudges where I know that pin is punched in, that's why I brought that up. In the end, I really trust Scout's judgement. Admittedly, I'm also happy for them to make the simplest vehicle they can, so you don't have to keep a laptop in your toolbox like with most modern cars.

Agreed. I would not like the laptop route either.

 

[THil08]

Optional for sure. I like the idea of separate driving profiles. I've gotten into a lot of devices by looking at the smudges where I know that pin is punched in, that's why I brought that up. In the end, I really trust Scout's judgement. Admittedly, I'm also happy for them to make the simplest vehicle they can, so you don't have to keep a laptop in your toolbox like with most modern cars.

My Mini constantly has a laptop open for tuning on the fly, throw the gf in the passenger seat with the laptop.

 

[bsddrake]

My Mini constantly has a laptop open for tuning on the fly, throw the gf in the passenger seat with the laptop.

Nice. It would be awesome if this vehicle had a software suite or at least an API/CANbus catalog for users that want to implement our own features. Not that I have my hopes all that high for something like that.

 

[THil08]

Nice. It would be awesome if this vehicle had a software suite or at least an API/CANbus catalog for users that want to implement our own features. Not that I have my hopes all that high for something like that.

what type of features?

 

[bsddrake]

what type of features?

It depends on what the vehicle is missing, and what the controller architecture is. Sometimes it's safe to put your own firewall/controller between the ECU and some specific controller to implement your own driver aids, and sometimes that's a really bad idea. Out of all the silly things I've done on passenger cars, the only ones I've routinely used are ABS assisted LSD, and on a convertible a function that rolls the passenger window down an inch when the driver's door is opened and then rolls it back up about 20 seconds later. That helps prevent the top from getting blown out when you close the door. That was shockingly difficult, because typically you've already stopped the engine, and the body controller tries to lock out the windows after the driver's door has opened. Totally not worth the effort, but I needed the content for a class... Good times. I like the immobilizer idea, or something to keep dangerous/annoying driver aids offline, but I hope the scout shows up with nothing to add. Disclaimer: Don't do any of these things if you don't already know what you're doing... It's dangerous and foolish.