Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

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this is a thought because I’ve been in Europe all week and since @04Ram2500Hemi just made the post. It’s not a directed comment or criticism, just observation as I know there is an opposite concern as well.
As Petrol (love the word) is like over $10/ gallon here, at what price does gas need to get to in the U.S. be fore you say “well maybe EV is OK and the extra wait I can live with”.
Again, no right or wrong just where are people’s pain thresholds as it related to fuel cost vs time waiting to charge?
Well here in Florida I paid $2.72/gal yesterday. Far from $10. As I have said before I have an ICE that gives me 400 miles of range and a Hybrid that gives 600. I would really like an EV in that range. This why I am currently on the fence with EV or Harvester.
 
Well here in Florida I paid $2.72/gal yesterday. Far from $10. As I have said before I have an ICE that gives me 400 miles of range and a Hybrid that gives 600. I would really like an EV in that range. This why I am currently on the fence with EV or Harvester.
With my hybrid I’m getting 35 mpg in winter and 53-55 in summer so I agree it works just wondering people’s pain thresholds. At some point if gas climbs everyone on the fence will convert to EV. I’m curious if in two years gas was $5.50-$6 across the U.S. as an average how many people would commit to EV
 
I tow and haul regularly, currently with a crew cab 454 2500 lol.

But it's all within 100 miles, except a once a year trip to Michigan's UP, 350 miles, that I just use our Gladiator for anyway.

For the 1800 people who live in BFE Idaho, I understand the infrastructure isn't there, but I look out the window of my office and see two Raptors, a TRX, countless Tahoes, Silverado's, F-150's... And all these people never haul a thing, and all live closer to work than me lol.
I’m sorry to say it, but that’s our main issue with automotive transportation in this country. Too many people are what they call superusers.
this is a thought because I’ve been in Europe all week and since @04Ram2500Hemi just made the post. It’s not a directed comment or criticism, just observation as I know there is an opposite concern as well.
As Petrol (love the word) is like over $10/ gallon here, at what price does gas need to get to in the U.S. be fore you say “well maybe EV is OK and the extra wait I can live with”.
Again, no right or wrong just where are people’s pain thresholds as it related to fuel cost vs time waiting to charge?
My guess is $6-7 per gallon. When prices went so high back around 2008-2010 that really curbed a lot of driving. People became very interested in hybrids, a new company called Tesla, hypermiling, mpg snake oils, etc. If I remember correctly, in my area that’s when diesel was switching to ultra low sulphur and the price surpassed the cost of premium gasoline. I think at the time diesel was over $4 per gallon and regular unleaded was around $3. People thought the world was coming to an end. So, adjusting for inflation, I say $6-7 is the threshold.
 
I’m sorry to say it, but that’s our main issue with automotive transportation in this country. Too many people are what they call superusers.

My guess is $6-7 per gallon. When prices went so high back around 2008-2010 that really curbed a lot of driving. People became very interested in hybrids, a new company called Tesla, hypermiling, mpg snake oils, etc. If I remember correctly, in my area that’s when diesel was switching to ultra low sulphur and the price surpassed the cost of premium gasoline. I think at the time diesel was over $4 per gallon and regular unleaded was around $3. People thought the world was coming to an end. So, adjusting for inflation, I say $6-7 is the threshold.
I definitely draw the line when it it gets to $100 a fill up.
 
this is a thought because I’ve been in Europe all week and since @04Ram2500Hemi just made the post. It’s not a directed comment or criticism, just observation as I know there is an opposite concern as well.
As Petrol (love the word) is like over $10/ gallon here, at what price does gas need to get to in the U.S. be fore you say “well maybe EV is OK and the extra wait I can live with”.
Again, no right or wrong just where are people’s pain thresholds as it related to fuel cost vs time waiting to charge?
Never lol. Until a gallon of gas equals my paycheck.
 
this is a thought because I’ve been in Europe all week and since @04Ram2500Hemi just made the post. It’s not a directed comment or criticism, just observation as I know there is an opposite concern as well.
As Petrol (love the word) is like over $10/ gallon here, at what price does gas need to get to in the U.S. be fore you say “well maybe EV is OK and the extra wait I can live with”.
Again, no right or wrong just where are people’s pain thresholds as it related to fuel cost vs time waiting to charge?
You make a valid point. I would ask this though. On a 500 plus mile trip, would you normally combine stopping somewhere for lunch while the vehicle charges? So while you wait, you spend say $40 - $50 on lunch, plus the charge, and you just lost an hour of daylight to get where you’re going.

We were stopped for less than 10 minutes with a pee break, and we had a few snacks that we packed with us.

This is why the Harvester appeals to me, if it’s done correctly. If it truly is gas and go, and you can safely sustain 80mph on the interstate that includes mountain passes (we have a lot in my area), then I’m really excited. If not, then it’s more than likely not the right vehicle for me.
 
You make a valid point. I would ask this though. On a 500 plus mile trip, would you normally combine stopping somewhere for lunch while the vehicle charges? So while you wait, you spend say $40 - $50 on lunch, plus the charge, and you just lost an hour of daylight to get where you’re going.

We were stopped for less than 10 minutes with a pee break, and we had a few snacks that we packed with us.

This is why the Harvester appeals to me, if it’s done correctly. If it truly is gas and go, and you can safely sustain 80mph on the interstate that includes mountain passes (we have a lot in my area), then I’m really excited. If not, then it’s more than likely not the right vehicle for me.
Ya 80 mph is a given here in Florida. Guess we well have to see how all the specifications flesh out.
 
I tow and haul regularly, currently with a crew cab 454 2500 lol.

But it's all within 100 miles, except a once a year trip to Michigan's UP, 350 miles, that I just use our Gladiator for anyway.

For the 1800 people who live in BFE Idaho, I understand the infrastructure isn't there, but I look out the window of my office and see two Raptors, a TRX, countless Tahoes, Silverado's, F-150's... And all these people never haul a thing, and all live closer to work than me lol.
Some of us like our TRX…

Ok, not a helpful response. But I’m one of those who uses my TRX (not a lot of sand dunes in Montana, so it’s not jumped a lot). My truck tows our family pontoon boat, it goes to the woods for hunting season, and it’s our long distance traveler. Other than fuel economy, it’s really fantastic (and fun). Those Raptors you look at, if they are the 3.5L EcoBoost then they are getting 500 miles on a single tank of gas at highway speeds (my 2020 did). If it’s a Raptor R, then not so much.
 
You make a valid point. I would ask this though. On a 500 plus mile trip, would you normally combine stopping somewhere for lunch while the vehicle charges? So while you wait, you spend say $40 - $50 on lunch, plus the charge, and you just lost an hour of daylight to get where you’re going.

We were stopped for less than 10 minutes with a pee break, and we had a few snacks that we packed with us.

This is why the Harvester appeals to me, if it’s done correctly. If it truly is gas and go, and you can safely sustain 80mph on the interstate that includes mountain passes (we have a lot in my area), then I’m really excited. If not, then it’s more than likely not the right vehicle for me.
For us we generally make a stop. Adding 20-25 minutes to take a break is something we already do. Sometimes we jump off an exit and grab Cracker Barrel or Chick fil a and other times we gauge where we will be at “meal time” and search for a local restaurant as we enjoy supporting local and like trying regional food items.
Everybody has their travel approach.
I just have to believe, knowing there are two power options, if gas we’re running at $6-$8/gallon that’s probably $80-$100 for a Harvester tank (at 12 gallons-well over if they somehow squeeze a 16 gallon tank. If that were to happen I’d not even consider the harvester and just learn to take a break but that’s me and we are all different.
 
We talk a lot about the cost of gas. What I don’t know or have any experience with is the cost per charge. I know that Scout hasn’t released all the info, but let’s say a similar Rivian.
- How long does it take to charge from 20% - 80% when on a highway trip, and what’s the cost?
- How long does it take to charge from 20% - 100% when on a highway trip, and what’s the cost?

The other cost component I ask is when charging at home:
-How much is an at home charger cost to buy and have installed professionally?
-What is the average cost to charge overnight from 20% - 80%?
 
We talk a lot about the cost of gas. What I don’t know or have any experience with is the cost per charge. I know that Scout hasn’t released all the info, but let’s say a similar Rivian.
- How long does it take to charge from 20% - 80% when on a highway trip, and what’s the cost?
- How long does it take to charge from 20% - 100% when on a highway trip, and what’s the cost?

The other cost component I ask is when charging at home:
-How much is an at home charger cost to buy and have installed professionally?
-What is the average cost to charge overnight from 20% - 80%?
I agree with that, a lot of gas talk going on. I’m starting to think J Alynn is in control of the gas industry and is not a architect.

I was watching a few videos of charging costs which I have found out are going up. Just shows how it was all subsidized through NEVI almost like how the oil industry is. Which oil has to be since it’s how most electric is created in the US. And if you want heavy electric prices then go ahead a push for unsubsidizing the oil industry
 
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I have never owned an EV, so I have a ton of questions, and a lot of thoughts about the EV world (some are probably wrong). A lot of members like @J Alynn have been really helpful without judging my lack of knowledge. If Scout would have been another Rivian I would have appreciated the design but never put down a deposit. The Scout Traveler and Terra seem really thought out with a combination of hard buttons and technology. But the Harvester package is what really sold me, if it’s done right. Scout has a chance to really change the EV world, and I think they are close. If Scout can convince somebody like me to buy one, that’s huge!
 
I have never owned an EV, so I have a ton of questions, and a lot of thoughts about the EV world (some are probably wrong). A lot of members like @J Alynn have been really helpful without judging my lack of knowledge. If Scout would have been another Rivian I would have appreciated the design but never put down a deposit. The Scout Traveler and Terra seem really thought out with a combination of hard buttons and technology. But the Harvester package is what really sold me, if it’s done right. Scout has a chance to really change the EV world, and I think they are close. If Scout can convince somebody like me to buy one, that’s huge!
Scout is bringing something new and exciting to the EV market. It is a fantastic design with perfect market timing.
 
I have never owned an EV, so I have a ton of questions, and a lot of thoughts about the EV world (some are probably wrong). A lot of members like @J Alynn have been really helpful without judging my lack of knowledge. If Scout would have been another Rivian I would have appreciated the design but never put down a deposit. The Scout Traveler and Terra seem really thought out with a combination of hard buttons and technology. But the Harvester package is what really sold me, if it’s done right. Scout has a chance to really change the EV world, and I think they are close. If Scout can convince somebody like me to buy one, that’s huge!
J Alynn is great on here. I’ve never once wanted any EV powered vehicle until Scout and the showing of the Harvester. I have followed the technology closely though. It’s so cool seeing how many people Scout has brought in with the harvester.
 
this is a thought because I’ve been in Europe all week and since @04Ram2500Hemi just made the post. It’s not a directed comment or criticism, just observation as I know there is an opposite concern as well.
As Petrol (love the word) is like over $10/ gallon here, at what price does gas need to get to in the U.S. be fore you say “well maybe EV is OK and the extra wait I can live with”.
Again, no right or wrong just where are people’s pain thresholds as it related to fuel cost vs time waiting to charge?

Petrol-Gas would have to go below $0.60/gallon for me to even begin to consider leaving my EVs behind, if cost was the only consideration.

That's the value where it's difficult for my Lightning to pay itself off compared with a similar capability F-150 gasser, based on the million or so real-world-based TCO simulations I've done. If gas is more expensive than that, the Lightning is a money-saver for my driving habits, which include an 1100+ mile road trip once every month or two as well as lots of truck work around the ranch. With almost 70,000 miles on our EVs now, I cannot imagine ever going back to a gasser.
 
We talk a lot about the cost of gas. What I don’t know or have any experience with is the cost per charge. I know that Scout hasn’t released all the info, but let’s say a similar Rivian.
- How long does it take to charge from 20% - 80% when on a highway trip, and what’s the cost?
- How long does it take to charge from 20% - 100% when on a highway trip, and what’s the cost?

The other cost component I ask is when charging at home:
-How much is an at home charger cost to buy and have installed professionally?
-What is the average cost to charge overnight from 20% - 80%?
As for your charging question LastDayScout laid it out very nicely in a post named Approximate Charge Time. If you use the search you can find this information .

As far as costs related to the charger:
A good Level 2 charger is around $600
The National average to have a charger installed is $959
Once you look over the LastDayScout post you can take the level 2 highway figures and apply them to you 20%-80% home based on what you pay /kWh.
 
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I agree with that, a lot of gas talk going on. I’m starting to think J Alynn is in control of the gas industry and is not a architect.

I was watching a few videos of charging costs which I have found out are going up. Just shows how it was all subsidized through NEVI almost like how the oil industry is. Which oil has to be since it’s how most electric is created in the US. And if you want heavy electric prices then go ahead a push for unsubsidizing the oil industry
Yes. I’ve been lying. I’m the son of an oil magnate and cautiously use a complex avatar name so as not to be discovered. My oil derived trust is in the MILLIONS and I’m scared to tell my family I’m ready to try an EV. I don’t really own a Honda accord hybrid.
I have a one-off Bugatti that gets about 12 mpg assuming I’m not taunting local law enforcement.
To be fair-the trust doesn’t even start with an M. It’s a B so don’t piss me off or I’ll buy SM and convert all these vehicles to ICE’s with premium fuel requirements to bleed every last dime out of you ! (Laughing emoji here since mine aren’t working-better yet-laughing emoji with a monocle)
 
I have never owned an EV, so I have a ton of questions, and a lot of thoughts about the EV world (some are probably wrong). A lot of members like @J Alynn have been really helpful without judging my lack of knowledge. If Scout would have been another Rivian I would have appreciated the design but never put down a deposit. The Scout Traveler and Terra seem really thought out with a combination of hard buttons and technology. But the Harvester package is what really sold me, if it’s done right. Scout has a chance to really change the EV world, and I think they are close. If Scout can convince somebody like me to buy one, that’s huge!
I’m learning too!!!! The open minded conversations help a lot of us so I try my best (TRY!) to foster open dialogue
 
J Alynn is great on here. I’ve never once wanted any EV powered vehicle until Scout and the showing of the Harvester. I have followed the technology closely though. It’s so cool seeing how many people Scout has brought in with the harvester.
Was exact same boat. If not my memories of Scout as a teenager I probably never would have joined this forum
 
Yes. I’ve been lying. I’m the son of an oil magnate and cautiously use a complex avatar name so as not to be discovered. My oil derived trust is in the MILLIONS and I’m scared to tell my family I’m ready to try an EV. I don’t really own a Honda accord hybrid.
I have a one-off Bugatti that gets about 12th assuming I’m not taunting local law enforcement.
To be fair-the trust isn’t even an M. It’s a B so don’t piss me off or I’ll buy SM and convert all these vehicles to ICE’s with premium fuel requirements to bleed every last dime out of you ! (Laughing emoji here since mine aren’t working-better yet-laughing emoji with a monocle)
LOL

Imagine be the Saudi’s lol. Have a crap ton of cash and being able to buy whatever at any moment. I’m move there for a year open up a gas company and then come back here. And then I’ll buy everyone Scouts lol. And I will get one off Bugatti for everyone. (Insert 50 laughing emojis since the new server sucks lol, I’m only joking.)