Solid State Battery Tech for Dummies

[eddiet1212]

The below Car and Driver story helped me (the Dummy) understand battery tech, etc...LOL​

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What Are Solid-State Batteries, and Why Do They Matter for Electric Vehicles?​

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a63306863/solid-state-batteries-evs-explained


For the technically advanced, you may utilize the below forum discussion to learn from our forum experts about ev batteries.

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Thread 'Battery tech'

Oct 26, 2024

I understand Scout is being designed with current battery tech in mind i.e LI-ion etc. But is scout also looking at upcoming battery technologies like Solid state and semi solid-state. If in 5 years, battery technology has improved quite a bit, it would great if the car is designed in such a way that, we could simply install a new battery pack without buying a whole new car.

• neo
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[MaddMatt]

That was interesting, thanks

 

[pleasant tree]

The below Car and Driver story helped me (the Dummy) understand battery tech, etc...LOL​

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What Are Solid-State Batteries, and Why Do They Matter for Electric Vehicles?​

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a63306863/solid-state-batteries-evs-explained


For the technically advanced, you may utilize the below forum discussion to learn from our forum experts about ev batteries.

N

Thread 'Battery tech'

Oct 26, 2024

I understand Scout is being designed with current battery tech in mind i.e LI-ion etc. But is scout also looking at upcoming battery technologies like Solid state and semi solid-state. If in 5 years, battery technology has improved quite a bit, it would great if the car is designed in such a way that, we could simply install a new battery pack without buying a whole new car.

• neo
• Replies: 49
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Quantumscape (leading Solid State Battery) is in stiff competition with Factoral batteries (Mercedes) to produce the first Solid State Battery electric car. Quantumscape has a 2026 goal of producing its first commercial Launch using QSE-5 B1 high volume SSB batteries. It is too bad that Scout will not be the launch vehicle, because the low volume that they would produce would be perfect for the SSB launch car.

 

[Chavannigans]

Quantumscape (leading Solid State Battery) is in stiff competition with Factoral batteries (Mercedes) to produce the first Solid State Battery electric car. Quantumscape has a 2026 goal of producing its first commercial Launch using QSE-5 B1 high volume SSB batteries. It is too bad that Scout will not be the launch vehicle, because the low volume that they would produce would be perfect for the SSB launch car.

PowerCo and QuantumScape Announce Landmark Agreement to Industrialize Solid-State Batteries

Volkswagen Group’s battery company PowerCo and QuantumScape (NYSE: QS) today announced they have entered into a groundbreaking agreement to industrialize QuantumScape’s next-generation solid-state lithium-metal battery technology. Upon satisfactory technical progress and certain royalty...

www.volkswagen-group.com

VW announced some news about Quantumscape and PowerCo recently.

 

[pleasant tree]

The below Car and Driver story helped me (the Dummy) understand battery tech, etc...LOL​

​

What Are Solid-State Batteries, and Why Do They Matter for Electric Vehicles?​

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a63306863/solid-state-batteries-evs-explained


For the technically advanced, you may utilize the below forum discussion to learn from our forum experts about ev batteries.

N

Thread 'Battery tech'

Oct 26, 2024

I understand Scout is being designed with current battery tech in mind i.e LI-ion etc. But is scout also looking at upcoming battery technologies like Solid state and semi solid-state. If in 5 years, battery technology has improved quite a bit, it would great if the car is designed in such a way that, we could simply install a new battery pack without buying a whole new car.

• neo
• Replies: 49
• Forum: GENERAL DISCUSSION

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Quantumscape has fully incorporated "cobra", their high-speed system for manufacturing their proprietary ceramic separator, a key ingredient to Solid State Battery production. They are now producing high-speed solid-state cells for batteries. It is a tragedy that Scout chose not to work with PowerCo and Quantumscape to install new solid-state batteries into the Scout. Instead, Scout buyers will need to buy a fossil fuel range extender rather than just have the solid state battery which has significantly more range than the current Scout batteries, as well as quicker charging, far more safety, much longer life of the batteries and they are lighter. Management made a mistake saying this was too risky.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

Quantumscape has fully incorporated "cobra", their high-speed system for manufacturing their proprietary ceramic separator, a key ingredient to Solid State Battery production. They are now producing high-speed solid-state cells for batteries. It is a tragedy that Scout chose not to work with PowerCo and Quantumscape to install new solid-state batteries into the Scout. Instead, Scout buyers will need to buy a fossil fuel range extender rather than just have the solid state battery which has significantly more range than the current Scout batteries, as well as quicker charging, far more safety, much longer life of the batteries and they are lighter. Management made a mistake saying this was too risky.

Sorry, I don’t believe we’ve officially confirmed anything thus far on batteries.

 

[Chavannigans]

Sorry, I don’t believe we’ve officially confirmed anything thus far on batteries.

 

[J Alynn]

Quantumscape has fully incorporated "cobra", their high-speed system for manufacturing their proprietary ceramic separator, a key ingredient to Solid State Battery production. They are now producing high-speed solid-state cells for batteries. It is a tragedy that Scout chose not to work with PowerCo and Quantumscape to install new solid-state batteries into the Scout. Instead, Scout buyers will need to buy a fossil fuel range extender rather than just have the solid state battery which has significantly more range than the current Scout batteries, as well as quicker charging, far more safety, much longer life of the batteries and they are lighter. Management made a mistake saying this was too risky.

I certainly don’t want to spend $70K and be a guinea pig for a brand new auto company and 6 months later see tons of unknown problems. Already a gamble being first on a brand new model from a brand new company. Solid state just isn’t there yet but maybe they’ll offer them as a $18K upgrade and no warranty so trailblazers can take the gamble

 

[Chavannigans]

I certainly don’t want to spend $70K and be a guinea pig for a brand new auto company and 6 months later see tons of unknown problems. Already a gamble being first on a brand new model from a brand new company. Solid state just isn’t there yet but maybe they’ll offer them as a $18K upgrade and no warranty so trailblazers can take the gamble

If you read the Volkswagen press release I posted in the Extra Extra Read All About it thread, youll know that isnt the case. They have been testing them for several years already. Its not a fly by night operation with unproven technology.

 

[J Alynn]

If you read the Volkswagen press release I posted in the Extra Extra Read All About it thread, youll know that isnt the case. They have been testing them for several years already. Its not a fly by night operation with unproven technology.

I read it and it’s very promising but until proof of concept in road traveling vehicles that have been built in a scaled up manner is a different story. Some people like being first with technology and they spend their money on it as they find joy in being a retail customer/early adopter-beta tester. At the prices we will pay-I’m not willing to be a beta tester-unless they offer me one to test for them. There is already proven tech that makes EVs work and I’d prefer SM be successful out of the gate and not fumble like Fisker or others who never even made it out of the gate.

 

[THil08]

Sorry, I don’t believe we’ve officially confirmed anything thus far on batteries.

I agree Jamie! I haven't seen or heard anything. And i have topline sources.

 

[Chavannigans]

I read it and it’s very promising but until proof of concept in road traveling vehicles that have been built in a scaled up manner is a different story. Some people like being first with technology and they spend their money on it as they find joy in being a retail customer/early adopter-beta tester. At the prices we will pay-I’m not willing to be a beta tester-unless they offer me one to test for them. There is already proven tech that makes EVs work and I’d prefer SM be successful out of the gate and not fumble like Fisker or others who never even made it out of the gate.

Buying a first gen product makes you a beta tester. This is a really confusing and contradictory statement, but okay.

 

[pleasant tree]

I read it and it’s very promising but until proof of concept in road traveling vehicles that have been built in a scaled up manner is a different story. Some people like being first with technology and they spend their money on it as they find joy in being a retail customer/early adopter-beta tester. At the prices we will pay-I’m not willing to be a beta tester-unless they offer me one to test for them. There is already proven tech that makes EVs work and I’d prefer SM be successful out of the gate and not fumble like Fisker or others who never even made it out of the gate.

Quantumscape's launch car will be announced before the end of this FY and will be PRODUCED next FY, long before the first Scout comes off the line. I think it is tragic that Scout wasn't the launch car. Everything else about Scout is new, why not use the highest tech batteries as well.

 

[cyure]

Quantumscape's launch car will be announced before the end of this FY and will be PRODUCED next FY, long before the first Scout comes off the line. I think it is tragic that Scout wasn't the launch car. Everything else about Scout is new, why not use the highest tech batteries as well.

Good morning! I’ve been Googling tying to fine more information on your post. Would you mind posting the source you got your information from? I can’t find anything stating that a launch vehicle will be produced next year. Thanks!

 

[Cranky Canuck]

Quantumscape's launch car will be announced before the end of this FY and will be PRODUCED next FY, long before the first Scout comes off the line. I think it is tragic that Scout wasn't the launch car. Everything else about Scout is new, why not use the highest tech batteries as well.

It doesn't really matter because whatever car ends up using the Quantumscape battery cells won't have remarkably different capabilities than conventional EVs. Solid state batteries aren't magic, the cars won't have dramatically faster charging curves or vastly longer ranges, and even if they did have faster charging times there won't be any chargers available to take advantage of that.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet the Quantumscape cars will be more expensive than their equivalent conventional battery EV, will have similar capabilities to conventional EVs, and will likely uncover issues not foreseen that normal EVs with normal, proven battery technology won't experience since they've already been around for almost two decades. Basically it's smart of Scout to no be on the bleeding edge of battery technology, there's almost no upside and plenty of downside. Current technology is fine, proven, and more than capable - especially when launching a brand new vehicle and brand.

 

[pleasant tree]

Good morning! I’ve been Googling tying to fine more information on your post. Would you mind posting the source you got your information from? I can’t find anything stating that a launch vehicle will be produced next year. Thanks!

Look up in QR IR the goals for 2025

 

[Cranky Canuck]

Look up in QR IR the goals for 2025

"QR IR"? What's that? Can you not just provide a link?

 

[pleasant tree]

"QR IR"? What's that? Can you not just provide a link?

https://ir.quantumscape.com/home/default.aspx

 

[Cranky Canuck]

https://ir.quantumscape.com/home/default.aspx

Thanks, I'm not seeing anything about a car being launched this fiscal year or production of the car next year. Goals are one thing but aspirations aren't reality.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

They're still announcing frameworks for collaboration on the fundamentals of their research (they cannot go into high-volume production without improvements to their ceramics). I'm highly skeptical of everything they announce on their investor pages--that's where they publish barely-realistic hype to get another round of funding. The entire thing reminds me of Theranos or the Phantom videogame console. They have yet to build any solid-state batteries. They're still on research cells for semi-solid and don't have any meaningful production of true solid-state.

Semi-solid is being produced for non-vehicle use--soon to be tested in vehicles--in China and cells are being tested in Europe.

Solid is a research project.

BYD, the world leader in EVs, hopes to have a solid-state battery in mass demonstration by 2027 and in mass production vehicles by the end of the decade. CATL, the world leader in battery research and production, is in a similar time frame. We might get solid in the US by 2035, but given the anti-research stance in certain places, I'm not hopeful.

BYD has already produced its first solid-state cells - electrive.com

Chinese car and battery manufacturer BYD apparently already produced its first solid-state cells last year. The source for this is not an anonymous informant,

www.electrive.com

“Looking at the industry as a whole, different players are making about the similar progress,” Huajun said. In fact, Wu Kai, Chief Scientist at CATL, stated at an event in April 2024 that battery market leader CATL plans to produce the first solid-state cells in small quantities in 2027 – similar to BYD. However, there will still be problems with producing large quantities, including in terms of costs, according to Wu."