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[LastDayScout]

I don't think I've ever seen data on this kind of thing, but I wonder if the number of horses employed for transportation was higher, even or lower than the number of vehicles we have per capita today. Like, we've had discussions on this forum about how a 'new car' is starting to get beyond the means of an average American. Of course, used cars exist and you can probably find one that will get you from A to B for only a few thousand dollars. But, how much would it have cost an 1926 family to have a horse and use it for transportation. If the Model T is the first real mass produced vehicle in 1908, then 18 years is a relatively short period. Of course, when it comes to EVs, they've actually be around since the 1900s. I think Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote about how President Taft used to like riding around in an old EV. But, maybe we should use the release of the Model S in 2012 as the modern era of EVs... we're only 14 years into that transition and we've still got a long way to go before the percentage of even new EV sales per year becomes substantial. What I wonder about is how much faster this transition is happening in countries like Norway and China... and if the great manufacturing power of China is behind it, how much sooner the world will be shifting to EVs than it took for the world to go from horse to bike to car.

I looked into it a few months ago. I can’t remember the exact number, but it seemed very similar. It must have really been a pain to find gas at the beginning. Mostly drug stores sold it.

 

[nolen]

I don't think I've ever seen data on this kind of thing, but I wonder if the number of horses employed for transportation was higher, even or lower than the number of vehicles we have per capita today. Like, we've had discussions on this forum about how a 'new car' is starting to get beyond the means of an average American. Of course, used cars exist and you can probably find one that will get you from A to B for only a few thousand dollars. But, how much would it have cost an 1926 family to have a horse and use it for transportation. If the Model T is the first real mass produced vehicle in 1908, then 18 years is a relatively short period. Of course, when it comes to EVs, they've actually be around since the 1900s. I think Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote about how President Taft used to like riding around in an old EV. But, maybe we should use the release of the Model S in 2012 as the modern era of EVs... we're only 14 years into that transition and we've still got a long way to go before the percentage of even new EV sales per year becomes substantial. What I wonder about is how much faster this transition is happening in countries like Norway and China... and if the great manufacturing power of China is behind it, how much sooner the world will be shifting to EVs than it took for the world to go from horse to bike to car.

I found this podcast a couple of weeks ago and thought it was really interesting. There's a lot of things that need to be considered in the transition for sure.

The fate of fossil fuel systems in the "mid-transition"

Podcast Episode · Volts · March 4 · 1h 15m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I don't think I've ever seen data on this kind of thing, but I wonder if the number of horses employed for transportation was higher, even or lower than the number of vehicles we have per capita today. Like, we've had discussions on this forum about how a 'new car' is starting to get beyond the means of an average American. Of course, used cars exist and you can probably find one that will get you from A to B for only a few thousand dollars. But, how much would it have cost an 1926 family to have a horse and use it for transportation. If the Model T is the first real mass produced vehicle in 1908, then 18 years is a relatively short period. Of course, when it comes to EVs, they've actually be around since the 1900s. I think Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote about how President Taft used to like riding around in an old EV. But, maybe we should use the release of the Model S in 2012 as the modern era of EVs... we're only 14 years into that transition and we've still got a long way to go before the percentage of even new EV sales per year becomes substantial. What I wonder about is how much faster this transition is happening in countries like Norway and China... and if the great manufacturing power of China is behind it, how much sooner the world will be shifting to EVs than it took for the world to go from horse to bike to car.

I don’t have “for transportation” data, nor have I bothered to clean up the data enough to be certain of the meanings of the kinks and inflections, but here a plot of the equines per human vs the automobiles per human in the US from 1850 to 2010.

Sources are: USDA, the FRED Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis , and the Census Bureau.

 

[J Alynn]

Another point is when people began changing from horses to horseless carriages, I suspect there was a major national organization with deep pockets telling people how bad the cars were compared to the horses. I’m sure there was naysayers but not having an endless pocket fighting against the change probably allowed for a smoother transition

 

[LastDayScout]

naysayers

Maybe it was neighsayers!

 

[J Alynn]

Maybe it was neighsayers!

Nice-well done sir! ️

 

[Scout_Lookout]

Sadly SO true. And nearly everyone who owns an EV says they’ll never go back but that’s how propaganda works. Excessively spending filed under Marketing.

Speaking of sadly, my Rivian is currently in the shop after a collision, (minor thankfully) but I was given a GV70 to drive in the meantime and I hate it! Sure the luxury inside is nice, but I can't stand driving an ICE vehicle anymore. They are so slow to accelerate, watching a gas gauge drop is depressing on an entirely new level now, (especially with current gas price and the inevitable hit to the wallet that comes with it) they use so much more brakes compared to an EV, and worst of all no one pedal driving which allows for so much more precise speed control and following distances. I will never own another ICE vehicle.

End rant.

 

[THil08]

I think November of 2022. So, based on this current conjecture, a Traveler BEV "Electrall" will be out in 2030. For my preferred spec, I think I am correct.

The community started in 2022. the Launch of Scouts rebrand way may 2022

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

Maybe it was neighsayers!

It’s probably “nay”.

 

[J Alynn]

It’s probably “nay”.

Alright everyone -quit horsing around. The Mane point was to talk about adoption not bucking around with these little grammar jokes. With all this feedback I should have started a gallop poll.

 

[LastDayScout]

The community started in 2022. the Launch of Scouts rebrand way may 2022

Joined Nov 16, 2022

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

Alright everyone -quit horsing around. The Mane point was to talk about adoption not bucking around with these little grammar jokes. With all this feedback I should have started a gallop poll.

Face Palm!

 

[R1TVT]

Are you a Coal or are you a Horse?

Literally just popped up.

 

[purplesnow]

Face Palm!

You mean hoof in mouth!

 

[purplesnow]

I think I’ve finally found my people.