Optional PIN to Drive Feature

[ScoutbyScoutwest]

Optional ability to enable a "PIN to Drive" security feature that requires a PIN to be entered before the car can be shifted into drive as an extra layer of security, preventing unauthorized individuals from driving the car even if they have a key fob/access card/authorized phone. This feature could be enabled or disabled by the owner if they choose to use it or not.

 

[dreamweaver]

Optional ability to enable a "PIN to Drive" security feature that requires a PIN to be entered before the car can be shifted into drive as an extra layer of security, preventing unauthorized individuals from driving the car even if they have a key fob/access card/authorized phone. This feature could be enabled or disabled by the owner if they choose to use it or not.

An interesting idea.

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[cyure]

Optional ability to enable a "PIN to Drive" security feature that requires a PIN to be entered before the car can be shifted into drive as an extra layer of security, preventing unauthorized individuals from driving the car even if they have a key fob/access card/authorized phone. This feature could be enabled or disabled by the owner if they choose to use it or not.

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[Latrant]

Optional ability to enable a "PIN to Drive" security feature that requires a PIN to be entered before the car can be shifted into drive as an extra layer of security, preventing unauthorized individuals from driving the car even if they have a key fob/access card/authorized phone. This feature could be enabled or disabled by the owner if they choose to use it or not.

Just please make it a consistent pin

Rivian has added a feature that can be enabled to add a rolling pin, like an Authenticator App.

Trouble is, if you are in a remote area with poor connectivity, or lose your phone or break it or battery dies, you can’t get a changing pin sent to you to start the car.

On a related note, rather than phone or card or FOB, I’d rather have a pin and pad to open the car.

As a Doc in the Army for 22 years, regardless of my rank or position, I had to take PT tests or, even as a Doc, go on formation runs.

It was really convenient to lock everything in my Truck and move out with no pockets and nothing in hand in the minimalist PT Uniform, especially when it’s hot.

Now, kayaking or hiking or running, which I do less as I’m older, it would be great to have such a feature.

Cheers!

L

 

[Latrant]

Optional ability to enable a "PIN to Drive" security feature that requires a PIN to be entered before the car can be shifted into drive as an extra layer of security, preventing unauthorized individuals from driving the car even if they have a key fob/access card/authorized phone. This feature could be enabled or disabled by the owner if they choose to use it or not.

Also, different PIN’s for my young Daughters and Wife vs Son in Law or Brother in Law.

Lets me know who borrowed it when and I could separate their use from mine for tracking issues or performance or lock out features from my oldest daughter who is Mario Andretti reincarnated, no matter what the speed limit isn’t or obstacles aren’t, in her mind.

 

[cyure]

Also, different PIN’s for my young Daughters and Wife vs Son in Law or Brother in Law.

Lets me know who borrowed it when and I could separate their use from mine for tracking issues or performance or lock out features from my oldest daughter who is Mario Andretti reincarnated, no matter what the speed limit isn’t or obstacles aren’t, in her mind.

And for those of us who don’t want a pin please make it optional.

 

[OleScout]

This is an interesting idea but I would like it to be an option and not a requirement.

 

[cyure]

This is an interesting idea but I would like it to be an option and not a requirement.

Same. Things like this make me feel like my car is a phone and I want to feel like my car is a car. If that makes sense.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I have a PIN for the Lightning. I have no idea what it is. It’s a weird size, like maybe 6 digits? I can’t even remember that. I have never used it. I can barely remember my debit card PIN. I just keep the key fob in my purse and don’t worry about it. Phone as a key is similarly useless to me. I wouldn’t mind a more credit card sized key fob so I can carry less weight and have it fit in my wallet, but otherwise I don’t embrace the move away from a separate item for vehicle access.

I think these options are great, but they should remain options. Retaining a key fob, preferably a water proof one, is important to me.

 

[J Alynn]

Optional ability to enable a "PIN to Drive" security feature that requires a PIN to be entered before the car can be shifted into drive as an extra layer of security, preventing unauthorized individuals from driving the car even if they have a key fob/access card/authorized phone. This feature could be enabled or disabled by the owner if they choose to use it or not.

I like this idea. Probably won’t use it often where I’m at but for many this would add a nice extra layer of protection

 

[J Alynn]

I have a PIN for the Lightning. I have no idea what it is. It’s a weird size, like maybe 6 digits? I can’t even remember that. I have never used it. I can barely remember my debit card PIN. I just keep the key fob in my purse and don’t worry about it. Phone as a key is similarly useless to me. I wouldn’t mind a more credit card sized key fob so I can carry less weight and have it fit in my wallet, but otherwise I don’t embrace the move away from a separate item for vehicle access.

I think these options are great, but they should remain options. Retaining a key fob, preferably a water proof one, is important to me.

I agree and many of us are lucky to live in areas where car theft is virtually non existent but many contend with the issue daily. What would be ideal (and costly? Would be on the front corner of the rear door on drivers side to have an integrated haptic screen integrated in the glass window so you could just touch it to open. When you approach a keypad lights up in corner of window just like a iPhone and you punch a 5-digit code if you have it active. I like Ford/Lincoln approach but the keypads are ugly and as sleek as the Scouts are I think the keypads would detract from the overall look.

 

[cyure]

I agree and many of us are lucky to live in areas where car theft is virtually non existent but many contend with the issue daily. What would be ideal (and costly? Would be on the front corner of the rear door on drivers side to have an integrated haptic screen integrated in the glass window so you could just touch it to open. When you approach a keypad lights up in corner of window just like a iPhone and you punch a 5-digit code if you have it active. I like Ford/Lincoln approach but the keypads are ugly and as sleek as the Scouts are I think the keypads would detract from the overall look.

Yeah I’m not fond of the way those keypads look. If there’s another option that doesn’t affect the look of the Scout I would be all for that.

 

[dreamweaver]

I agree and many of us are lucky to live in areas where car theft is virtually non existent but many contend with the issue daily. What would be ideal (and costly? Would be on the front corner of the rear door on drivers side to have an integrated haptic screen integrated in the glass window so you could just touch it to open. When you approach a keypad lights up in corner of window just like a iPhone and you punch a 5-digit code if you have it active. I like Ford/Lincoln approach but the keypads are ugly and as sleek as the Scouts are I think the keypads would detract from the overall look.

The Lincoln's keypad is located in the B-pillar and invisible, hidden behind the facia until needed. lightly touch the area and it lights up. They haven't used those ugly rubber buttons in quite a while.

 

[J Alynn]

The Lincoln's keypad is located in the B-pillar and invisible, hidden behind the facia until needed. lightly touch the area and it lights up. They haven't used those ugly rubber buttons in quite a while.

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Way better looking. Could live with that. Don’t like the piano black trim but maybe there is a way to work in. They have the dark black line across top to separate body color from roof color-.that would be a good spot. Would also keep kids from messing with it as it would be up higher

 

[cyure]

Way better looking. Could live with that. Don’t like the piano black trim but maybe there is a way to work in. They have the dark black line across top to separate body color from roof color-.that would be a good spot. Would also keep kids from messing with it as it would be up higher

Good idea

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I agree and many of us are lucky to live in areas where car theft is virtually non existent but many contend with the issue daily. What would be ideal (and costly? Would be on the front corner of the rear door on drivers side to have an integrated haptic screen integrated in the glass window so you could just touch it to open. When you approach a keypad lights up in corner of window just like a iPhone and you punch a 5-digit code if you have it active. I like Ford/Lincoln approach but the keypads are ugly and as sleek as the Scouts are I think the keypads would detract from the overall look.

Keypads don’t make the vehicle more secure against theft.
The keypad entry code is 5 digits, but there are only 5 buttons, so there are 3125 possible combinations.
Divide that by 2 because one of two codes will work (your code or the factory code; this is necessary so that if you forget your code, there’s a backup). That’s 1563 possible codes to open the door.
But if someone wants to steal the car, they’re going to have a thousand options and it doesn’t matter if they have your key code, your door code, or anything else.

First, they can just put the vehicle on a tow truck. Happens all the time. Nobody pays attention to this. They will then have days to turn off the GPS if it’s even enabled.
Second-through-1000th…There are so many remote access vulnerabilities that make the key fob irrelevant.

A few examples of attack from a research paper on automobile security:
Vulnerability analysis. For each access vector category, we investigate one or more concrete examples in depth and assess the level of actual exposure. In each case we find the existence of practically exploitable vulnerabilities that permit arbitrary automotive control without requiring direct physical access. Among these, we demonstrate the ability to compromise a car via vulnerable diagnostics equipment widely used by mechanics, through the media player via inadvertent playing of a specially modified song in WMA format, via vulnerabilities in hands-free Bluetooth functionality and, finally, by calling the car’s cellular modem and playing a carefully crafted audio signal encoding both an exploit and a bootstrap loader for additional remote-control functionality.

After they investigate these specific examples, they demonstrate that someone can take control of or cause issues with the vehicle via, for example, the TPMS radio in your tires. Or they can monitor and send audio to the vehicle, including sending commands to the vehicle’s voice-command system.

And the engine immobilizers don’t need your key fob nearby to respond to a query, which means they’re vulnerable even if there’s no key fob around. Some of these attacks are related to things other than stealing the vehicle, but are no less concerning.

Or you can just live with the knowledge that if someone wants your car, they can just pick it up and take it.

 

[dreamweaver]

Way better looking. Could live with that. Don’t like the piano black trim but maybe there is a way to work in. They have the dark black line across top to separate body color from roof color-.that would be a good spot. Would also keep kids from messing with it as it would be up higher

I don't care for piano black either. However, I use CS3 on the exterior of our vehicles and Nothing sticks to the surface. Not even finger prints.

 

[cyure]

I don't care for piano black either. However, I use CS3 on the exterior of our vehicles and Nothing sticks to the surface. Not even finger prints.

What is CS3 may I ask?

 

[cyure]

What is CS3 may I ask?

 

[dreamweaver]

What is CS3 may I ask?

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