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Welcome to the community. This has been asked in the past and there is no indication that this is on the table at this point.
Hello there and welcome to the community. I guess I would start with, Why? Are you wanting a diesel-only model or to use a diesel engine for the generator in the Harvester model? Diesels are quite heavy, you don't need high torque to spin a generator, they take a long time to warm up (and reach efficient operation), to comply with current regulations they need complicated, expensive, and heavy DEF tanks, DPFs, etc., plus diesel fuel is much more expensive.
If you want a diesel-only version, I am sorry but Scout has only committed to building BEV and EREV models at this point. There are lots of options out there for ICE trucks and SUVs - Scout would be competing in a VERY crowded field.
If you want a diesel-only version, I am sorry but Scout has only committed to building BEV and EREV models at this point. There are lots of options out there for ICE trucks and SUVs - Scout would be competing in a VERY crowded field.
Maybe look for a restored Scout II diesel? I had owned an '80 and it was a great truck! Still miss it and that's partly why I'm here (and waiting)...
I was totally just thinking about a Diesel version of the Harvester. Most sailboats use diesel engines for motorized propulsion, and I was thinking how beneficial it would be after the Apocalypse to be able to run my Scout Traveler w/Harvester off of biodiesel rather than needing to constantly be on the hunt for rapidly declining supplies of gasoline.
You still have the weight, DEF, and cost problem. If you're worried about the Apocalypse, get the BEV version. It is WAY easier to make your own electricity than your own hydrocarbons (and DEF, although that is basically urea which is fairly easy to make
).I generally like diesels - in the right situations I think they are superior. That said, they don't shoe horn into all situations. The main problem I see is VW will not be making any diesels for the US market till hell freezes over. FWIW I like my VW diesel.
I have had not diesel related problems with it. Have had no diesel related problems with my F250. My wife's Jeep diesel might becoming a different issue. It had a $3k problem 6 months ago - and now is waiting for a second shop trip to figure out if it has a new $5k diesel problem. I don't think my wife drives it hard enough. Diesel in a grocery getter can have issues. My truck tows, my VW does long trips. Short hops are not good for diesel systems.
FWIW, I have lost count how many people have told us to delete it. But I am not going to incriminate myself on a forum by saying weather or not we are considering that. But apparently, deleting can solve some potential issues.
I have had not diesel related problems with it. Have had no diesel related problems with my F250. My wife's Jeep diesel might becoming a different issue. It had a $3k problem 6 months ago - and now is waiting for a second shop trip to figure out if it has a new $5k diesel problem. I don't think my wife drives it hard enough. Diesel in a grocery getter can have issues. My truck tows, my VW does long trips. Short hops are not good for diesel systems.
FWIW, I have lost count how many people have told us to delete it. But I am not going to incriminate myself on a forum by saying weather or not we are considering that. But apparently, deleting can solve some potential issues.
What are the details on your Jeep? I have an '07 WK CRD (Mercedes engine). Previous owner did a DPF delete and GDE tune that eliminated the horrible swirl motor. 150k miles and not a single issue since I've had it (75k miles). Prior to that I had a KJ CRD and also did a GDE tune that made it run way better by eliminating their stupid coolant heater and breather issues.
GDE was at the vanguard of Jeep diesel tuning back in the day. Not sure if they support the newer stuff but I highly recommend them.
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But to the OP, now that diesel is dramatically more expensive than gas, I am pretty confident that your per-mile cost in a Scout would be higher with a diesel generator than a gas one.
GDE was at the vanguard of Jeep diesel tuning back in the day. Not sure if they support the newer stuff but I highly recommend them.
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But to the OP, now that diesel is dramatically more expensive than gas, I am pretty confident that your per-mile cost in a Scout would be higher with a diesel generator than a gas one.
It seems unlikely we'll see another small diesel in the USA from a VW Group Company. The legacy of Dieselgate looms large. Light-duty diesels are essentially dead here. It's only GM's 3L Duramax. Europeans are abandoning diesel cars for hybrids and EV's.
That was more or less stated at the reveal event. Diesel is a no go with VWAG
Just had to get rid of my 2018 diesel f150 to avoid the wet-belt changes and a turbo replacement (over 10k repair), I don’t see any diesel in my future…
Actually hoping the Scout will be my last vehicle!
One advantage of diesel is the fuel longevity. Not that I think diesel is realistic for the scout or even something I would personally want, but one of the silly thoughts rattling around the back of my head is,
“if I get a harvester model, and I don’t happen to use gas for 6 months (because I’m good about plugging in), would I just drive around the block to use up old gasoline?”
“if I get a harvester model, and I don’t happen to use gas for 6 months (because I’m good about plugging in), would I just drive around the block to use up old gasoline?”
This is a solved problem. Chevy worked it all out with the Volt back in the day. The car will automatically run the engine periodically to keep everything exercised and lubricated. I would avoid ethanol fuel and if you're really worried you can toss some Stabil into the tank when you fill up. That will keep fuel good for years.
Also, with diesel, you have to worry about humbugs (yes, they are a real thing) and need to treat the fuel with biobor to prevent growth (we do the same w/ jet fuel).
Are they green with Jim Carrey’s voice?
Also, fuel lasts longer than people think in a sealed tank.
But my plan, if I end up with the harvester model, was to use fuel stabilizer. Because like others have said, if you're doing 99% local driving with that 150 mile range, you're unlikely to burn through the fuel very often. But on a road trip where I was planning on "gas and go", I wouldn't use it. But would again when I finally got "home", and didn't expect to use fuel for quite a while again.
But my plan, if I end up with the harvester model, was to use fuel stabilizer. Because like others have said, if you're doing 99% local driving with that 150 mile range, you're unlikely to burn through the fuel very often. But on a road trip where I was planning on "gas and go", I wouldn't use it. But would again when I finally got "home", and didn't expect to use fuel for quite a while again.
Hmm. Maybe. They have a test for them! Maybe someone could put them under a microscope.
I meant to reply to this earlier.
But this is exactly how I feel. Besides the general shift away from diesel for light duty applications (as mentioned diesel used to be super popular in the EU/etc, sales have been sliding, while hybrids and EV's have been picking up in volume), you have to think about the company in general. VW is suuuuper hesitant about diesels because of dieselgate.
And separately, yeah, currently diesel fuel prices are bonkers. Locally its $7/gallon. Despite diesel vehicles usually being more efficient, that increase in prices is rough. Plus now with DEF, and the more expensive oil changes/etc, it seems like a diesel right now would be something I'd only want, unless I needed the extra towing power/etc.
Although I'd "hope" that by the time that the Scouts come out, that we're not still dealing with fuel prices being this high. But, who knows.
Thank you for your reply…. I agree…. It would be too costly with the emissions standards and I believe there’s a potential with the diesel being a failure point for an upstart vehicle that wants to succeed at a high level not to say that VW couldn’t build a substantial diesel engine, but I think there’s some liabilities there that shouldn’t be in a new startup vehicle company maybe in the next couple generations a diesel harvester model might be pretty cool as running at a constant speed would be very efficient for the diesel, but I think there has to be long-term studies and engineering done to make it be a top performance option
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