Lexus LX/Tesla3 ==> Terra BEV

[Abrust]

We currently own a 2014 Lexus LX and 2018 Tesla Model 3. We have reserved a Terra BEV. From everything I’ve read, both the traveler and Terra seem to combine everything I love about both our vehicles into one.

I do hope that scout makes it easy to swap/upgrade batteries (and allow them to be legacy vehicles passed through generations) as I imagine once I’ve put about 200,000 miles on it (I assume it will be as indestructible as the Lexus, and they are just getting broken in at 200,000), there will be much better battery tech (looking at you quantumscape) that may give a full BEV range of 500 miles +.

This vehicle has the potential to be something truly spectacular in a modest, capable, desirable package that Tesla, Toyota, ford, gmc, etc simply haven’t been willing/able to provide (at least not yet).

Thank you SM and all who are working to make this dream possible!

 

[Chavannigans]

Welcome!

You are in good company. I’ve had 4 Lexus SUVs and they are phenomenal machines.

I think the Traveler will be a fantastic move, especially if you never use the 3rd row.

The Terra is also a great choice if you don’t have a pickup already.

I too am hoping the batteries will be upgradable down the road.

My 2004 GX470 has around 214k miles and I will be giving it to my oldest in about 5 years. Would love to pass the Traveler along to one of his brothers someday too.

 

[BeerParty]

We currently own a 2014 Lexus LX and 2018 Tesla Model 3. We have reserved a Terra BEV. From everything I’ve read, both the traveler and Terra seem to combine everything I love about both our vehicles into one.

So, what made you decide on the Scout pickup truck (Terra) instead of the Scout SUV (Traveler)? Since you are coming from a SUV (Lexus LX) I am just curious.

 

[Abrust]

So, what made you decide on the Scout pickup truck (Terra) instead of the Scout SUV (Traveler)? Since you are coming from a SUV (Lexus LX) I am just curious.

Keeping the Lexus to give to my son when he starts driving in two years. Figured it was smart to diversify the portfolio.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

We currently own a 2014 Lexus LX and 2018 Tesla Model 3. We have reserved a Terra BEV. From everything I’ve read, both the traveler and Terra seem to combine everything I love about both our vehicles into one.

I do hope that scout makes it easy to swap/upgrade batteries (and allow them to be legacy vehicles passed through generations) as I imagine once I’ve put about 200,000 miles on it (I assume it will be as indestructible as the Lexus, and they are just getting broken in at 200,000), there will be much better battery tech (looking at you quantumscape) that may give a full BEV range of 500 miles +.

This vehicle has the potential to be something truly spectacular in a modest, capable, desirable package that Tesla, Toyota, ford, gmc, etc simply haven’t been willing/able to provide (at least not yet).

Thank you SM and all who are working to make this dream possible!

This is an interesting perspective with battery swaps. I’ve never put over 100,000 miles on a vehicle, so the swap of a battery at 200,000 miles is interesting.

 

[cyure]

This is an interesting perspective with battery swaps. I’ve never put over 100,000 miles on a vehicle, so the swap of a battery at 200,000 miles is interesting.

My Wrangler is the first vehicle I have kept to over 100,000. It currently has 111,000 miles on it. I’m curious why the 200,000 figure. Is there some data that shows that over 200,000 it would need a new battery? Where’s @SpaceEVDriver when we need him.

 

[oldgeeksguide]

This is an interesting perspective with battery swaps. I’ve never put over 100,000 miles on a vehicle, so the swap of a battery at 200,000 miles is interesting.

The last 2 cars we got rid of were both over 200k miles. One we traded in, the other crashed, but both were starting to require more repairs, starting to wear a bit, etc. Basically seemed like 200k was about time to start looking for a replacement, when a lot of things start to need extra work. Current one lives in garage and doesn’t have little ones in the back most of the time, so stuff like paint and upholstery may last longer.

 

[cyure]

The last 2 cars we got rid of were both over 200k miles. One we traded in, the other crashed, but both were starting to require more repairs, starting to wear a bit, etc. Basically seemed like 200k was about time to start looking for a replacement, when a lot of things start to need extra work. Current one lives in garage and doesn’t have little ones in the back most of the time, so stuff like paint and upholstery may last longer.

Okay I get things like that, but does a battery degrade that it would need replacement at 200,000 miles? That’s my questions.

 

[Abrust]

My Wrangler is the first vehicle I have kept to over 100,000. It currently has 111,000 miles on it. I’m curious why the 200,000 figure. Is there some data that shows that over 200,000 it would need a new battery? Where’s @SpaceEVDriver when we need him.

We put over 300,000 miles on our LX 470 (running like new when we traded it in, just couldn't handle 1,000 lbs of lumber on top like the 570) before trading it in for our current 570 (which is now at about 110,000 and just getting broken in). I imagine whatever battery SM releases with the BEV option will remain relevant/functional for the first 100,000-200,000 miles, but by the time I have put that many miles on it, I imagine the battery tech available by then will have advanced enough that, assuming SM builds with the quality I expect, everything else about the vehicle should be good for another 100,000 to 200,000 miles, but hopefully with a battery that then maybe gives 500-1000 miles of range per charge, if not more.

Land Cruisers/LX's are legacy vehicles. If well maintained, they can reasonably be expected to run dependably for 200,000-300,000 miles (so think "my grandad and my dad drove this and now it's my favorite daily driver"). I think what SM is building has the potential to be a hyper legacy vehicle with only a few battery swaps over its lifetime (and proper regular maintenance of course) they could be not only connection machines within the contemporary user's experience, but across several generations.

There will always be a market for the newest, most advanced model, but there is also a market for something different than the throw-away and upgrade approach to which so many auto manufacturers seem committed, hence experiences like not owning a vehicle for more than 100,000 miles because the general understanding is that's the time to get out before everything starts falling apart.

I have big plans for my Scout. There are memories that I want to create for me and my family, and I hope it is the kind of vehicle that enables generational connection and memory building in a way that few other vehicles are capable.

 

[Chavannigans]

We put over 300,000 miles on our LX 470 (running like new when we traded it in, just couldn't handle 1,000 lbs of lumber on top like the 570) before trading it in for our current 570 (which is now at about 110,000 and just getting broken in). I imagine whatever battery SM releases with the BEV option will remain relevant/functional for the first 100,000-200,000 miles, but by the time I have put that many miles on it, I imagine the battery tech available by then will have advanced enough that, assuming SM builds with the quality I expect, everything else about the vehicle should be good for another 100,000 to 200,000 miles, but hopefully with a battery that then maybe gives 500-1000 miles of range per charge, if not more.

Land Cruisers/LX's are legacy vehicles. If well maintained, they can reasonably be expected to run dependably for 200,000-300,000 miles (so think "my grandad and my dad drove this and now it's my favorite daily driver"). I think what SM is building has the potential to be a hyper legacy vehicle with only a few battery swaps over its lifetime (and proper regular maintenance of course) they could be not only connection machines within the contemporary user's experience, but across several generations.

There will always be a market for the newest, most advanced model, but there is also a market for something different than the throw-away and upgrade approach to which so many auto manufacturers seem committed, hence experiences like not owning a vehicle for more than 100,000 miles because the general understanding is that's the time to get out before everything starts falling apart.

I have big plans for my Scout. There are memories that I want to create for me and my family, and I hope it is the kind of vehicle that enables generational connection and memory building in a way that few other vehicles are capable.

Can confirm. My 1999 Land Cruiser (Poor Man’s LX470) and 1997 Lexus LX450 (Rich Man’s Land Cruiser) both had over 330k miles on them when they were sold/totalled.

Still ran strong and I towed with both for work. They can easily last 500k miles without a major repair. You’ll replace a few water pumps, radiators, alternators, and wheel bearings, but the transmission, engines, and axles were STRONG.

In fact both of those Land Cruisers had the 4-Speed “Bus transmission” that Toyota would use in dump trucks, buses, and shipping container forklifts.

A lot of people just aren’t aware that the real full size Land Cruisers were designed to last for half a million miles. They are WAY overbuilt.

Also hoping the Scout can be our new legacy vehicles. It’s a major change for me personally but Scout really seemed to focus on people like us that value freedom and capability. Just like the Land Cruisers used to be.

I have 4 boys under 12 years old and all of them will need a vehicle someday. I would love it if I could eventually hand down a few Scouts to them. Especially if they could swap the batteries with solid state units to make them even more capable!

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Okay I get things like that, but does a battery degrade that it would need replacement at 200,000 miles? That’s my questions.

That’s a good question and I’m probably not qualified to answer, but I remember hearing some tales of 1,000,000 mile plus Teslas and when I googled them one that came up was a Tesla model S with 1,200,000 miles that was on its 4th battery. Another Google result was consistent with that saying that Tesla batteries last about 300,000 miles.

 

[cyure]

That’s a good question and I’m probably not qualified to answer, but I remember hearing some tales of 1,000,000 mile plus Teslas and when I googled them one that came up was a Tesla model S with 1,200,000 miles that was on its 4th battery. Another Google result was consistent with that saying that Tesla batteries last about 300,000 miles.

Okay well if I do 100,000 miles every 10 years my Scout will last 30 years. I’ll be in my late 80s.

 

[J Alynn]

Okay well if I do 100,000 miles every 10 years my Scout will last 30 years. I’ll be in my late 80s.

And shouldn’t be driving a machine that large anyway

 

[cyure]

And shouldn’t be driving a machine that large anyway

At that age I’ll just let my kids drive me around. Sounds safer.

 

[Chavannigans]

At that age I’ll just let my kids drive me around. Sounds safer.

By then cars will drive YOU, Comrade.

 

[cyure]

By then cars will drive YOU, Comrade.

Even if they do I will be a back seat driver to the robot car.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Assuming no manufacturing defects, no hard racing every day behaviors, and no damage, the batteries with the chemistry that Scout will use will get 500,000-750,000 miles before they reach 70% of the original capacity.

Math:
NMC batteries get around 2000 full recharge cycles (100%-0%-100%; a partial recharge is pro-rated according to its charge amount). 350 miles/charge cycle * 2000 charge cycles = 700,000 miles.

LFP get about 5000 cycles. For the 150 mile range, that's, again, about 750,000 miles.

Note that the lifetime charge cycles is lab based and in harsher conditions than we see on the road. I have no concerns about our EV batteries. The vehicles will fail before the batteries do. And then I'll upcycle them into house energy storage.

 

[cyure]

Assuming no manufacturing defects, no hard racing every day behaviors, and no damage, the batteries with the chemistry that Scout will use will get 500,000-750,000 miles before they reach 70% of the original capacity.

Math:
NMC batteries get around 2000 full recharge cycles (100%-0%-100%; a partial recharge is pro-rated according to its charge amount). 350 miles/charge cycle * 2000 charge cycles = 700,000 miles.

LFP get about 5000 cycles. For the 150 mile range, that's, again, about 750,000 miles.

Note that the lifetime charge cycles is lab based and in harsher conditions than we see on the road. I have no concerns about our EV batteries. The vehicles will fail before the batteries do. And then I'll upcycle them into house energy storage.

I know you would have something to say on this topic. Always appreciate you!!

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Apparently I’m in the minority here when it comes to mileage. As soon as a vehicle is close to 100,000 miles it goes away. I’m just not comfortable with my daily driver having that many miles on it.

 

[Chavannigans]

Apparently I’m in the minority here when it comes to mileage. As soon as a vehicle is close to 100,000 miles it goes away. I’m just not comfortable with my daily driver having that many miles on it.

Depends on your social class really.

I pridefully drive Toyota and Lexus 4x4s with high miles.

If you have a business and can write that off, all the power to you.

But as a Toyota/Lexus owner I have never been preoccupied about miles.

They just work regardless of how many miles they had on them.

It came down to performance.


"Can my vehicle still do what I need it to do?"


"No? Okay then Scout it is."