Jeep Recon

[TigerEyeJazz]

Now that they've just announced pricing and reviewers are getting a chance to walk around it and show off the pre-production vehicles I'm getting concerned that the Scout will be more expensive and thus unaffordable.

As of right now the reported specs are 370 km (230 miles) of range with a 100 kWh battery pack at a price of $94k CAD ($67k USD).

We expect the Scout Traveller to have a slightly bigger battery around 120 kWh and hopefully a lot more range (though physics is physics...) and at that price point I'd have to be out. No way I'm spending almost $100k on a vehicle.

The Recon is the closest cross-shop vehicle to the Scout Traveler at the moment and it's not looking good for either vehicle. Sigh.

As much as I understand where you are coming from, the Recon is a product that doesn’t exude the levels of what Scout is doing. The fact the Recon is not a Body on Frame vehicle would be a turn off for many hardcore off roaders. It also doesn’t do well in Range which is a huge selling point. The Scout having a range extended version helps it out so much more than Jeep even did with this. Also the pricing for such a vehicle in this space is not good. $67k plus any fee’s will hurt it when you can buy a Scout for less plus it’s built here rather than in Mexico.

 

[cyure]

Now that they've just announced pricing and reviewers are getting a chance to walk around it and show off the pre-production vehicles I'm getting concerned that the Scout will be more expensive and thus unaffordable.

As of right now the reported specs are 370 km (230 miles) of range with a 100 kWh battery pack at a price of $94k CAD ($67k USD).

We expect the Scout Traveller to have a slightly bigger battery around 120 kWh and hopefully a lot more range (though physics is physics...) and at that price point I'd have to be out. No way I'm spending almost $100k on a vehicle.

The Recon is the closest cross-shop vehicle to the Scout Traveler at the moment and it's not looking good for either vehicle. Sigh.

I’m not giving up hope and am remaining cautiously optimistic. They keep saying $20k less than competitors and that’s what I am holding onto.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Now that they've just announced pricing and reviewers are getting a chance to walk around it and show off the pre-production vehicles I'm getting concerned that the Scout will be more expensive and thus unaffordable.

As of right now the reported specs are 370 km (230 miles) of range with a 100 kWh battery pack at a price of $94k CAD ($67k USD).

We expect the Scout Traveller to have a slightly bigger battery around 120 kWh and hopefully a lot more range (though physics is physics...) and at that price point I'd have to be out. No way I'm spending almost $100k on a vehicle.

The Recon is the closest cross-shop vehicle to the Scout Traveler at the moment and it's not looking good for either vehicle. Sigh.

I hope the $67k base price of the Recon is simply because Stellantis is just out of its collective mind.

That said, I’ve never understood the $60k price point as coming with a 350 mile range. I’ve always expected that the 350 mile range would come at a premium. But we still don’t know.

I think the Lightning is the best model for what Scout will be doing with the Terra.
The Lightning XLT with the standard range battery (240 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $57k in my area; $63k CA in Vancouver.
The Lightning Flash with its LFP standard battery, (300 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $66k in my area; $74k CA in Vancouver;
The Lightning Lariat with the Extended range battery (320 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $72k in my area; $88k CA in Vancouver.
And of course, those are MSRP numbers, not the real prices seen on dealer lots, which are generally lower right now.


The closest competition for the Scout Traveler is the Recon and the R1S. Those are both quite high-priced for what you get if you’re comparing with Scout’s promised $60k starting price. We’ll see.

 

[THil08]

I hope the $67k base price of the Recon is simply because Stellantis is just out of its collective mind.

That said, I’ve never understood the $60k price point as coming with a 350 mile range. I’ve always expected that the 350 mile range would come at a premium. But we still don’t know.

I think the Lightning is the best model for what Scout will be doing with the Terra.
The Lightning XLT with the standard range battery (240 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $57k in my area; $63k CA in Vancouver.
The Lightning Flash with its LFP standard battery, (300 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $66k in my area; $74k CA in Vancouver;
The Lightning Lariat with the Extended range battery (320 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $72k in my area; $88k CA in Vancouver.
And of course, those are MSRP numbers, not the real prices seen on dealer lots, which are generally lower right now.


The closest competition for the Scout Traveler is the Recon and the R1S. Those are both quite high-priced for what you get if you’re comparing with Scout’s promised $60k starting price. We’ll see.

As on what the scout motors website says:

Electric: Up to 350 Miles
Electric + Gas(AKA Harvester): 500+ Miles

Recon isn’t a real offroad. And Rivian R1S it has capabilities but it’s more of a Luxury approach is what Rivian has gone for. Their for I really have to agree with RORM on this, Scout is in its own League.

 

[cyure]

I hope the $67k base price of the Recon is simply because Stellantis is just out of its collective mind.

That said, I’ve never understood the $60k price point as coming with a 350 mile range. I’ve always expected that the 350 mile range would come at a premium. But we still don’t know.

I think the Lightning is the best model for what Scout will be doing with the Terra.
The Lightning XLT with the standard range battery (240 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $57k in my area; $63k CA in Vancouver.
The Lightning Flash with its LFP standard battery, (300 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $66k in my area; $74k CA in Vancouver;
The Lightning Lariat with the Extended range battery (320 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $72k in my area; $88k CA in Vancouver.
And of course, those are MSRP numbers, not the real prices seen on dealer lots, which are generally lower right now.


The closest competition for the Scout Traveler is the Recon and the R1S. Those are both quite high-priced for what you get if you’re comparing with Scout’s promised $60k starting price. We’ll see.

There was an article that said that the $67k Recon will be a MOAB special edition on 33s that will be released first and the cheaper models and the base model will be released later. So $67 is not where it starts. It’s an elevated trim level apparently. They also said the 33s cut the range to 210 I think it was. There’s been a couple articles and I’m not sure which one said that.

My Wrangler is the special edition for 2013 and its the MOAB edition. I got steel bumpers, a gas cap cover, rear tail light guards, a cold weather package, basically heated seats and heavy duty rubber floor mats. Things like that. So I would expect the Recon MOAB to have updated extra features that are adding to the price.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

There was an article that said that the $67k Recon will be a MOAB special edition on 33s that will be released first and the cheaper models and the base model will be released later. So $67 is not where it starts. It’s an elevated trim level apparently. They also said the 33s cut the range to 210 I think it was. There’s been a couple articles and I’m not sure which one said that.

My Wrangler is the special edition for 2013 and its the MOAB edition. I got steel bumpers, a gas cap cover, rear tail light guards, a cold weather package, basically heated seats and heavy duty rubber floor mats. Things like that. So I would expect the Recon MOAB to have updated extra features that are adding to the price.

Jeep says the starting price is $65k. So, yeah, not $67k, but not really all that much lower. I’m not sure where I pulled $67k.

 

[cyure]

Jeep says the starting price is $65k. So, yeah, not $67k, but not really all that much lower. I’m not sure where I pulled $67k.

That’s the price of the MOAB special edition. They have not stated base price yet I dont think.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

Jeep says the starting price is $65k. So, yeah, not $67k, but not really all that much lower. I’m not sure where I pulled $67k.

$67k was what one of the videos I watched quoted.

 

[cyure]

$67k was what one of the videos I watched quoted.

Oh I’m sure but one of the articles I read specifically said that’s MOAB edition and lower priced will come later.

It’s like the early Scout videos. I thought the Harvester was 350 battery/150 gas for the longest time because some woman who posted a video after reveal had incorrect info in her video.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

This is from the Jeep dot com website.

 

[cyure]

This is from the Jeep dot com website.

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Yes but the wording at the bottom
Says “as shown is $65k”. Let me see if I can find the article that said the base was cheaper because I’m 99% sure I read that.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Yes but the wording at the bottom
Says “as shown is $65k”. Let me see if I can find the article that said the base was cheaper because I’m 99% sure I read that.

Yeah, their wording is unclear: Starting at $65k and “as shown $65k” are not necessarily in conflict, but are also not necessarily in agreement. /shrug

 

[cyure]

Okay this is where I saw it apparently car and driver or one of those that posted the highlights and I put it in extra extra.

I’m telling you as a Jeep gal when they have a whatever edition that’s the more expensive one. Not base. And they are saying this MOAB with 33s gets 210 miles. Well they say up to 250 so there must be a lower trim with smaller wheels that gets more range as a base model.

 

[Jasco]

I think the Lightning is the best model for what Scout will be doing with the Terra.
The Lightning XLT with the standard range battery (240 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $57k in my area; $63k CA in Vancouver.
The Lightning Flash with its LFP standard battery, (300 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $66k in my area; $74k CA in Vancouver;
The Lightning Lariat with the Extended range battery (320 miles) has a starting MSRP of about $72k in my area; $88k CA in Vancouver.
And of course, those are MSRP numbers, not the real prices seen on dealer lots, which are generally lower right now.

Pricing for the top range battery will come down to how Scout decides to package options. Ford packages the battery with their highest trims hence the $15K upgrade which is actually very reasonable given the other niceties you get alongside the extra kWhs. $15K for 80 miles of extra range on its own is a stretch. Scout is also in an interesting position given their lineage as a family oriented, outdoor do-it-all vehicle. Their target market doesn't have $85-$100k to spend. Of course there will be people who could/would pony up that kind of cash but that's not going to sell 100,000+ vehicles per year. A skew towards elevated pricing would result in sales more inline with Rivian's R1S/T at less than 50k/yr for both vehicles. Scout really needs a compelling option in the mid $60k range to hit sales goals in my opinion.

The offroad trim will probably not have the top end range given the added weight and rolling resitance of the 35's and the weight of the other offroad components such as armour. I'm guessing the longest range trim will come on 33" all seaons tires rolling on 22" wheels. If they can pull off 350 miles on 35's and have it priced within reach I'll be mightily impressed. I'm hoping the off-road trim w/ 35's will have 300+ miles of range but that may be optimistic and perhaps a selling point for the EREV. Ideally they would offer an offroad trim with 33's and the rear locker which might bump the range up higher into the 300's. In my dream world this trim and large battery could be had for an additional $5 $7K and include some decent options like the heated steering wheel and seats. The big problem with an $90k rock crawler is the anxiety that goes along with crawling an $90k vehicle. Thank goodness we won't have to deal with dealer markups!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Pricing for the top range battery will come down to how Scout decides to package options. Ford packages the battery with their highest trims hence the $15K upgrade which is actually very reasonable given the other niceties you get alongside the extra kWhs. $15K for 80 miles of extra range on its own is a stretch. Scout is also in an interesting position given their lineage as a family oriented, outdoor do-it-all vehicle. Their target market doesn't have $85-$100k to spend. Of course there will be people who could/would pony up that kind of cash but that's not going to sell 100,000+ vehicles per year. A skew towards elevated pricing would result in sales more inline with Rivian's R1S/T at less than 50k/yr for both vehicles. Scout really needs a compelling option in the mid $60k range to hit sales goals in my opinion.

Yeah.
There’s a truism that you package the best things with the higher-priced things so the customer upgrades to the next trim level up to get that one thing. Unfortunately, that’s so engrained in the automotive world that it would surprise me if we can order Scout options a la cart instead of packages.

The offroad trim will probably not have the top end range given the added weight and rolling resitance of the 35's and the weight of the other offroad components such as armour. I'm guessing the longest range trim will come on 33" all seaons tires rolling on 22" wheels. If they can pull off 350 miles on 35's and have it priced within reach I'll be mightily impressed. I'm hoping the off-road trim w/ 35's will have 300+ miles of range but that may be optimistic and perhaps a selling point for the EREV. Ideally they would offer an offroad trim with 33's and the rear locker which might bump the range up higher into the 300's. In my dream world this trim and large battery could be had for an additional $5 $7K and include some decent options like the heated steering wheel and seats. The big problem with an $90k rock crawler is the anxiety that goes along with crawling an $90k vehicle. Thank goodness we won't have to deal with dealer markups!

I agree that the longest range will likely come with 33 AS on 22” wheels. There’s just no other way to keep the rolling resistance and drag down enough. They could go with 31s on 20s, but I don’t think people would like the looks.

I would be surprised if they get to 300 miles with 35s and/or any offroad package.

 

[Logan]

Now that they've just announced pricing and reviewers are getting a chance to walk around it and show off the pre-production vehicles I'm getting concerned that the Scout will be more expensive and thus unaffordable.

As of right now the reported specs are 370 km (230 miles) of range with a 100 kWh battery pack at a price of $94k CAD ($67k USD).

We expect the Scout Traveller to have a slightly bigger battery around 120 kWh and hopefully a lot more range (though physics is physics...) and at that price point I'd have to be out. No way I'm spending almost $100k on a vehicle.

The Recon is the closest cross-shop vehicle to the Scout Traveler at the moment and it's not looking good for either vehicle. Sigh.

I share a lot of this fear.

The Body on frame construction should be somewhat cheaper to make. And being made in the USA should mean less tarriffs (hopefully... maybe???). But I'm right there with you in the worry department.

Yeah.
There’s a truism that you package the best things with the higher-priced things so the customer upgrades to the next trim level up to get that one thing. Unfortunately, that’s so engrained in the automotive world that it would surprise me if we can order Scout options a la cart instead of packages.


I agree that the longest range will likely come with 33 AS on 22” wheels. There’s just no other way to keep the rolling resistance and drag down enough. They could go with 31s on 20s, but I don’t think people would like the looks.

I would be surprised if they get to 300 miles with 35s and/or any offroad package.

I've been saying this for a while. At least with the stated battery size, and the aero of the vehicle, I'd be surprised to get over 300 miles with AT tires, especially for larger tire sizes.

 

[THil08]

the jeep recon lacks a frunk, it has a frunk big enough for a news paper it’s so small.

And that problem it’s also more expensive because they had to build from the ground up the electric platform. Along with the ridiculousness of removable side windows, because its roof doesn’t come off, so much for being a Jeep if it’s not tops off.

 

[Logan]

The frunk on my Ioniq is already small enough (1.8cu ft IIRC. Enough for a tire repair kit, charger/adapters, a 12v battery booster, and some outdoor blankets).

I don't think I'd want a smaller one.

 

[THil08]

The frunk on my Ioniq is already small enough (1.8cu ft IIRC. Enough for a tire repair kit, charger/adapters, a 12v battery booster, and some outdoor blankets).

I don't think I'd want a smaller one.

Go and look at the recons.

 

[cyure]

I share a lot of this fear.

The Body on frame construction should be somewhat cheaper to make. And being made in the USA should mean less tarriffs (hopefully... maybe???). But I'm right there with you in the worry department.


I've been saying this for a while. At least with the stated battery size, and the aero of the vehicle, I'd be surprised to get over 300 miles with AT tires, especially for larger tire sizes.

Someday we will know the answers to all of these questions. It can’t come soon enough

I just keep going back to what they said in the presentation at Nats. $20k less than competitors.

However I agree with you all that’s 35s are going to affect the range. I’ve decided I’m going to settle for 33s.