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NHTSA launches another investigation into Tesla's 'Full Self-Driving' after 58 crashes
NHTSA has launched a broad investigation into Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving Supervised’, better known as ‘FSD’, after it connected 58 incidents...electrek.co
NHTSA has identified 58 such incidents, which resulted in 14 fires and 23 injuries.
The regulator released more details about the first scenario under investigation:
The agency mentioned that several incidents had happened at the same intersection in Joppa, Maryland. Local law enforcement got involved and Tesla reportedly pushed an update to fix the problem with the specific intersection.
It’s unclear whether Tesla notified NHTSA about the problem when it occurred, as the agency mentioned discovering it during its pre-investigation work.
Here’s what NHTSA wrote about the second scenario in its investigation notice:
It just show how popular it is to make any vehicle “offroad” because most people aren’t actually going “offroad” so you can give it the look people want without having to make it a rock crawler or something.If it was all-electric (and wasn’t a Stellantis POJ), we would probably end up with it. It’s too bad both Toyota and Honda have shoved their heads so far up their own.... The minivan is the most under-rated utility vehicle out there. And adding some clearance to it would make it even more useful.
Yeah.It just show how popular it is to make any vehicle “offroad” because most people aren’t actually going “offroad” so you can give it the look people want without having to make it a rock crawler or something.![]()
Believe it or not, Its not the only light offroading minivan. The Toyota Sienna Woodland edition has existed for a few years (although its only like a .8in lift).
When I used to run SAG for my friends’ races, we always took the Sienna. We could comfortably fit four people (three of whom could recline and nap), three bikes, two coolers, and all the soft gear.Believe it or not, Its not the only light offroading minivan. The Toyota Sienna Woodland edition has existed for a few years (although its only like a .8in lift).
And, you can buy lift kits for Siennas (3in lift kits). And have been for... a few decades?
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They're not for "real" offroading, they're to give minivans the same sort of ground clearance that current CUV's ("SUV's" like the Grand Highlander, Nissan Pathfinder, Honda Pilot, etc). Which basically makes them acceptable to drive on forest roads, unlike the factory ground clearance.
They're actually relatively popular with the mountain biking crowd. You can load up a minivan full of actual humans, put 7 bikes on the back, and get to trailheads/shuttle trails that are normally offlimits for minivans.
For reference, my buddies old Honda Odyssey had 4.7in of ground clearance, and the standard Pacifica is something like 5.1in of ground clearance. So the 2.5-2.8in of lift the Grizzly edition has the ground clearance increasing to the 7.5 - 8in or thereabouts. Or... less than a Subaru, and my Hyundai Tucson (8.3in).
Although it is more than my 6.9in I have on my Ioniq 9.
Anyway, Its not really an "offroader" IMO. Just a "minivan that can badroad now".
The Roof rack is a bit much though.
If it wouldn’t affect the range so much I would make my Scout look like it could survive an apocalypse. Give me the 35s and I know it will be a BEV and doesn’t need it but slap that nonfunctioning snorkel on it too! Offroad steel bumper with a bull bar. All the better. Meijer shoppers get out of my way. I’m coming through!Yeah.
I used to begrudge people’s appearance choices, but I don’t care anymore. If someone wants their vehicle to look like it could survive the zombie apocalypse while all they do with it is sit in the after school pickup line, who am I to judge. The original 1965 Mustang was advertised to moms as a grocery-getter before it became the muscle car it is known as today; people should be able to make their vehicle their own.
If there was a minivan version of the Traveler, R1S, or other off-road capable, BEV, it would absolutely be our next vehicle and we would do what was necessary to afford it. The VW ID.Buzz is close, but it has several issues that make it not quite good enough to replace what we already have.
Tragic but I don’t think anyone is surprised anymore. Pretty sure that’s why he pushed so hard to lower safety ratings and regulations![]()
NHTSA launches another investigation into Tesla's 'Full Self-Driving' after 58 crashes
NHTSA has launched a broad investigation into Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving Supervised’, better known as ‘FSD’, after it connected 58 incidents...electrek.co
NHTSA has identified 58 such incidents, which resulted in 14 fires and 23 injuries.
The regulator released more details about the first scenario under investigation:
The agency mentioned that several incidents had happened at the same intersection in Joppa, Maryland. Local law enforcement got involved and Tesla reportedly pushed an update to fix the problem with the specific intersection.
It’s unclear whether Tesla notified NHTSA about the problem when it occurred, as the agency mentioned discovering it during its pre-investigation work.
Here’s what NHTSA wrote about the second scenario in its investigation notice:
If you’re just going for appearance, drop the steel bumper and replace it with composite or aluminum. The non-functioning snorkel can be put anywhere, so put it where it looks good but doesn’t impact range much. The tires are the biggest issue. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a great way to make it look like you’ve got 35” ATs without having 35” ATs.O
If it wouldn’t affect the range so much I would make my Scout look like it could survive an apocalypse. Give me the 35s and I know it will be a BEV and doesn’t need it but slap that nonfunctioning snorkel on it too! Offroad steel bumper with a bull bar. All the better. Meijer shoppers get out of my way. I’m coming through!
Wish it was prettier.Mercedes is taking V2V to the next level. Wow
Mercedes is taking V2V to the next level. Wow
I’m struggling to understand the point of the press release being published on Electrek. It sounds like this is an internal research vehicle/laboratory, not a production vehicle for sale. Or am I missing something? If my interpretation is correct, then are they ever going to sell the Elf to consumers? Maybe they’ll sell a version to companies looking to provide emergency roadside charging, etc? I can’t tell.Wish it was prettier.
That’s awesome. I hope we get stories like this on SM team members going forward. Fun read and passionate people.Speak of the devil-new story post-with link @Chavannigans
Scouts Go Farther – Jared Schaab – Scout Motors Stories
blog.scoutmotors.com
If you go back there are quite a few already. Guessing they’ve been busy lately (not sure whyThat’s awesome. I hope we get stories like this on SM team members going forward. Fun read and passionate people.
As a lady of a certain age, I blame it on the M word.If you go back there are quite a few already. Guessing they’ve been busy lately (not sure why) but dig through the stories page and there are like 6 or so other stories that are good if you haven’t read them already
The most interesting part to me was that they took the 3rd row out, which kind of negates the entire point of choosing a mini-van.Right?!?!
Yeah. For most of our use-cases, the 3rd row isn’t useful, but the flexibility of a minivan is kind of the point. We would sometimes take out the third row seats and leave them home for a specific trip. But when we got home, we’d put them back in because the next trip might mean six or seven people in the vehicle.The most interesting part to me was that they took the 3rd row out, which kind of negates the entire point of choosing a mini-van.
I get people needing space for camping gear, but the 3rd row folds flat into the floor already.