Drivers not happy with their car screens

[jdgln]

Welcome to the community. I have a question for you. I always have questions.

If the center screen does not change size would that be enough to deter you from purchasing?

Yes, because I would rather have the Rivian R1S screen size or something close to it. So my preference is in the physical controls which the Traveler presents, but also having enough screen real estate to easily view and navigate the menus. Being that Rivian is the one developing the software, I can see the issues that would be present to go to the Traveler screen size as it is. My desire would be for Rivian to take cues from the Traveler and include more physical buttons. But there are other reasons that would deter me as well which I am now posting on other posts, which are concerns that need to be addressed which would make me go with the third generation of a Rivian R1S instead.

 

[cyure]

Yes, because I would rather have the Rivian R1S screen size or something close to it. So my preference is in the physical controls which the Traveler presents, but also having enough screen real estate to easily view and navigate the menus. Being that Rivian is the one developing the software, I can see the issues that would be present to go to the Traveler screen size as it is. My desire would be for Rivian to take cues from the Traveler and include more physical buttons. But there are other reasons that would deter me as well which I am now posting on other posts, which are concerns that need to be addressed which would make me go with the third generation of a Rivian R1S instead.

Fair enough. As I always say, I hope everyone gets what they want and if ultimately what you want is a bigger screen in a Rivian then no harm, no foul.

My understanding is that Scout is using Rivians zonal architecture, but the UX is being developed by Scout Motors for our Scouts. I am not expecting it to just be repackaged Rivian software.

Having seen the concepts in person multiple times I love those screens and I hope they don’t change.

Welcome again!

 

[J Alynn]

Yes, because I would rather have the Rivian R1S screen size or something close to it. So my preference is in the physical controls which the Traveler presents, but also having enough screen real estate to easily view and navigate the menus. Being that Rivian is the one developing the software, I can see the issues that would be present to go to the Traveler screen size as it is. My desire would be for Rivian to take cues from the Traveler and include more physical buttons. But there are other reasons that would deter me as well which I am now posting on other posts, which are concerns that need to be addressed which would make me go with the third generation of a Rivian R1S instead.

Perhaps the Rivian is your preferred vehicle. Noted prior but I’ve sat in the traveler and the screen size is more than generous and personally going to a vertical tablet isn’t critical because there are buttons for many of the controls so perhaps some are accustomed to the full screens of Rivian and Tesla but these are plenty big for how they are intended to be used

 

[Chuckles]

Having an airbag for a middle seat passenger might make it more difficult for Scout to have a more vertical screen. Just a thought.

 

[cyure]

Having an airbag for a middle seat passenger might make it more difficult for Scout to have a more vertical screen. Just a thought.

Oh yeah, bench seat option and all.

 

[J Alynn]

Having an airbag for a middle seat passenger might make it more difficult for Scout to have a more vertical screen. Just a thought.

Suits me. I love the horizontal nature of the dash and that screen is bigger than my car now so it is more than enough to handle daily needs

 

[SrfnFly227]

Honestly one of my favorite things about the vehicle is how integrated the screen looks in the dash. Taking away the way the trim frames it would be a major deterrent for me.

 

[R1TVT]

Honestly one of my favorite things about the vehicle is how integrated the screen looks in the dash. Taking away the way the trim frames it would be a major deterrent for me.

Agreed - And the floating Tesla tablet look is not good!

 

[cyure]

Honestly one of my favorite things about the vehicle is how integrated the screen looks in the dash. Taking away the way the trim frames it would be a major deterrent for me.

Same. I love it.

 

[jdgln]

Honestly one of my favorite things about the vehicle is how integrated the screen looks in the dash. Taking away the way the trim frames it would be a major deterrent for me.

I am not talking about making a floating tablet look. Read the description.

 

[jdgln]

Suits me. I love the horizontal nature of the dash and that screen is bigger than my car now so it is more than enough to handle daily needs

Perhaps the Rivian is your preferred vehicle. Noted prior but I’ve sat in the traveler and the screen size is more than generous and personally going to a vertical tablet isn’t critical because there are buttons for many of the controls so perhaps some are accustomed to the full screens of Rivian and Tesla but these are plenty big for how they are intended to be used

Yes, because you haven't used the interface as it is designed to be used and you don't know the number of things that are going to be included in the infotainment system and how they are going to be interacted with, which is why you don't understand the problem, and you don't understand that the screens that you are looking at in the video as I have referenced are based on Rivian's interface. How something looks (such as high heels) vs how something is put into use (for walking) are two different things.

I am not talking about a vertical infotainment screen. I am clearly describing a screen that is narrower in height than it is in width which is what the Rivian R1S screen is. The Scout Traveler design interior is clearly taken from the Rivian R1S as a base. I am talking about the Rivian screen. I am using it as a reference. Having references to products does not mean a preference for a particular product. It means a preference a specific design element.

 

[Scout_Lookout]

Yes, because I would rather have the Rivian R1S screen size or something close to it. So my preference is in the physical controls which the Traveler presents, but also having enough screen real estate to easily view and navigate the menus. Being that Rivian is the one developing the software, I can see the issues that would be present to go to the Traveler screen size as it is. My desire would be for Rivian to take cues from the Traveler and include more physical buttons. But there are other reasons that would deter me as well which I am now posting on other posts, which are concerns that need to be addressed which would make me go with the third generation of a Rivian R1S instead.

I get what you're saying and I originally was worried about the screen dimensions too. But then I felt the same going from the Tesla screen to the Rivian and now I prefer the Rivian screen. However, I dont like Rivian OS 2. I liked the previous version much better with the bars on the top and bottom.

To me whats more important than the screen dimensions is the layout of the UX and the ease of access to the most used options. But we got to remember there are going to be physical buttons in the Scout (of which I prefer the sleek clean look without, dont come at me forum members lol), and thus some functions will surely be moved to the switches and make the UX less crowded as a result.

I am curious about the Gen 3 R1's as well though. I think they are going to be by far the best Gen yet and I have no doubt a lot of the tricks from R2 are going to make it to the Gen 3's. Therefore, whoever has the cabana top wins! Right @cyure ?

 

[R1TVT]

Yes, because you haven't used the interface as it is designed to be used and you don't know the number of things that are going to be included in the infotainment system and how they are going to be interacted with, which is why you don't understand the problem, and you don't understand that the screens that you are looking at in the video as I have referenced are based on Rivian's interface.

Let's see what comes out in production. To be crystal clear - NOBODY here has seen what the actual production interface, U/I and UX will be. We have seen snippets of POC work in prototype vehicles, and there is a lot of time between now and production. I'm guessing that what we see was also locked-down months ago for demo purposes to highlight the core of the "community UX" and that development work has been ongoing for months since the current stuff was added to the prototypes.

When we see production, it will still be super early days for the Community UX. When I look back at the Rivian OS and UX from launch to today, you would hardly even know that the 1st gen SW came from Rivian. These modern trucks will morph over time with OTA's. I had no idea something (R1T in my case) could improve so drastically with OTA's, but it will happen. I can't stress enough how glad I am that Scout can take some learnings from Rivian (with the JV,) and get a really big head start on development with the Zonal architecture. Whether you like it or not, all modern trucks will be software defined vehicles, and Scout was very smart to establish the JV. This will certainly accelerate time to market for the initial production release - particularly considering the added dev to support the Harvester feature set, that will need to be added.

Rivian never sold the R1's with a promise that they would get better over time, but with OTA's I would say they absolutely have and that makes a huge difference compared to all the other trucks I have owned. Scout owners will experience something very similar I imagine.

 

[speedrye]

You guys wanting bigger screens must have some long arms! My T-Rex arms can't reach half of the screen in many newer vehicles without moving from my driving position.

 

[cyure]

You guys wanting bigger screens must have some long arms! My T-Rex arms can't reach half of the screen in many newer vehicles without moving from my driving position.

I didn’t even have CarPlay in my Wrangker until a few years ago when I changed out the stereo.

 

[J Alynn]

You guys wanting bigger screens must have some long arms! My T-Rex arms can't reach half of the screen in many newer vehicles without moving from my driving position.

I just hate leafing through screens when driving. Total eyes off road situation which isn’t ideal

 

[speedrye]

I just hate leafing through screens when driving. Total eyes off road situation which isn’t ideal

That's the biggest deal for me. I want the basic controls to be completely second nature without having to take my eyes off the road for ANYTHING. Need to turn the air cooler, reach out and turn the knob, no need to look. Need to change the music source, steering wheel button. You get the idea...

 

[cyure]

That's the biggest deal for me. I want the basic controls to be completely second nature without having to take my eyes off the road for ANYTHING. Need to turn the air cooler, reach out and turn the knob, no need to look. Need to change the music source, steering wheel button. You get the idea...

I really think there’s enough buttons in the Scout that we will be able to do that.

 

[Broverlander]

I just hate leafing through screens when driving. Total eyes off road situation which isn’t ideal

I'm serious here. I think my infotainment screen in my Rivian is a bigger hazard than my phone. I'm always poking around to find a new Spotify station or a new audiobook or something. That has nothing to do with the size of the screen though so don't make it any smaller. I don't have T-rex arms but my eyesight isn't great.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

Yes, because I would rather have the Rivian R1S screen size or something close to it. So my preference is in the physical controls which the Traveler presents, but also having enough screen real estate to easily view and navigate the menus. Being that Rivian is the one developing the software, I can see the issues that would be present to go to the Traveler screen size as it is. My desire would be for Rivian to take cues from the Traveler and include more physical buttons. But there are other reasons that would deter me as well which I am now posting on other posts, which are concerns that need to be addressed which would make me go with the third generation of a Rivian R1S instead.

Our center screen is actually larger than the Rivian R1S screen (15.6 inches). We'll announce final specs as we get closer to production.