Door Handles!

[R1TVT]

This might just be me showing some bias coming from a R1T, but I wanted to throw out an idea related to the door handles, drag & design. I'm wondering if Scout has an opportunity to create the best of both worlds for their door handles, and engineer the manual handle in such a way that it is actually FLUSH with the body? This may be hard to explain, but if Scout could create a slightly larger recessed area for the handle, they may be able to have the outside of the door handle sit flush, but still retain the "cup" and manual pull (as opposed to the Rivian model where the handle is completely flush and there is no "cup" behind the handle? I love that it the handles are rectangular, I like that it is beefy and like that it is manual, but it seems odd to have the handle itself sticking out beyond the beauteous belt-line of the truck and not flush. I would love to see what that might look like - maybe it would look like garbage with a slightly bigger recessed cup behind the handle.

 

[cyure]

This might just be me showing some bias coming from a R1T, but I wanted to throw out an idea related to the door handles, drag & design. I'm wondering if Scout has an opportunity to create the best of both worlds for their door handles, and engineer the manual handle in such a way that it is actually FLUSH with the body? This may be hard to explain, but if Scout could create a slightly larger recessed area for the handle, they may be able to have the outside of the door handle sit flush, but still retain the "cup" and manual pull (as opposed to the Rivian model where the handle is completely flush and there is no "cup" behind the handle? I love that it the handles are rectangular, I like that it is beefy and like that it is manual, but it seems odd to have the handle itself sticking out beyond the beauteous belt-line of the truck and not flush. I would love to see what that might look like - maybe it would look like garbage with a slightly bigger recessed cup behind the handle.

As long as they keep the handle, it would be interesting to see what it looked like more recessed.

 

[J Alynn]

This might just be me showing some bias coming from a R1T, but I wanted to throw out an idea related to the door handles, drag & design. I'm wondering if Scout has an opportunity to create the best of both worlds for their door handles, and engineer the manual handle in such a way that it is actually FLUSH with the body? This may be hard to explain, but if Scout could create a slightly larger recessed area for the handle, they may be able to have the outside of the door handle sit flush, but still retain the "cup" and manual pull (as opposed to the Rivian model where the handle is completely flush and there is no "cup" behind the handle? I love that it the handles are rectangular, I like that it is beefy and like that it is manual, but it seems odd to have the handle itself sticking out beyond the beauteous belt-line of the truck and not flush. I would love to see what that might look like - maybe it would look like garbage with a slightly bigger recessed cup behind the handle.

I appreciate 99.98% of all your posts but I think the handles should stay as they are. It’s just a great nod to the past and helps emphasize the boxiness of the vehicles. The handles out are great when it’s dark out to find them and from a design point I just think they are more powerful visually as they are now

 

[cyure]

I appreciate 99.98% of all your posts but I think the handles should stay as they are. It’s just a great nod to the past and helps emphasize the boxiness of the vehicles. The handles out are great when it’s dark out to find them and from a design point I just think they are more powerful visually as they are now

You were at the reveal. What do the handles on the inside look? And are the locks on the door panel of top of the door?

 

[Chavannigans]

I appreciate 99.98% of all your posts but I think the handles should stay as they are. It’s just a great nod to the past and helps emphasize the boxiness of the vehicles. The handles out are great when it’s dark out to find them and from a design point I just think they are more powerful visually as they are now

I agree

 

[dreamweaver]

I appreciate 99.98% of all your posts but I think the handles should stay as they are. It’s just a great nod to the past and helps emphasize the boxiness of the vehicles. The handles out are great when it’s dark out to find them and from a design point I just think they are more powerful visually as they are now

And no moving parts on those Scout handles. Grab the handle thumb on the touch pad door opens. As far as drag goes...bigger fish to fry with that flat front end.

 

[J Alynn]

You were at the reveal. What do the handles on the inside look? And are the locks on the door panel of top of the door?

Best pics I have of the inside door handles. Not sure if there is a manual door release or not?

 

[THil08]

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Best pics I have of the inside door handles. Not sure if there is a manual door release or not?

That door on the concept costs 100k alone. estimated lol. So don't get so close J.

 

[dreamweaver]

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Best pics I have of the inside door handles. Not sure if there is a manual door release or not?

Looks like it pivots out to release.

 

[J Alynn]

That door on the concept costs 100k alone. estimated lol. So don't get so close J.

I was gonna lick it and claim it as mine but figured only counts with food and I didn’t want security to taze me . A guy started crawling under at one point and 8 security guys grabbed him and fully dismembered him. It was violent and gruesome. (Ok-you got me-I’m joking). Staff was Amazing!!!!

 

[Chavannigans]

I was gonna lick it and claim it as mine but figured only counts with food and I did t want security to taze me . A guy started crawling under at want point and 8 security guys grabbed him and fully dismembered him. It was violent and gruesome. (Ok-you got me-I’m joking). Staff was Amazing!!!!

Maybe that explains why some of the "natural leather" has tattoos

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

From a functional POV, I find most EV handles to be rubbish. Not everything needs to be redesigned. Ford did it mostly right with the Lightning and missed entirely with the Mustang--so badly that they are struggling to respond to some alarming incidents involving children locked inside the Mustang because of the poorly-considered door opening design.

Also, the two-or-more motion handles are incredibly inaccessible---the EV6 handle is another example of terrible design. one should not have to unhide the handle before being able to use it. Those little protrusions don't increase drag enough to be worth the inaccessible nature.

Please, Scout, stick with single-motion, mechanical door opening mechanisms and handles that don't require electrical power to be usable.

If any kind of redesign is needed, it's a more Universal Design that incorporates accessibility and usability based on knowledge from experts in the field.

 

[cyure]

From a functional POV, I find most EV handles to be rubbish. Not everything needs to be redesigned. Ford did it mostly right with the Lightning and missed entirely with the Mustang--so badly that they are struggling to respond to some alarming incidents involving children locked inside the Mustang because of the poorly-considered door opening design.

Also, the two-or-more motion handles are incredibly inaccessible---the EV6 handle is another example of terrible design. one should not have to unhide the handle before being able to use it. Those little protrusions don't increase drag enough to be worth the inaccessible nature.

Please, Scout, stick with single-motion, mechanical door opening mechanisms and handles that don't require electrical power to be usable.

If any kind of redesign is needed, it's a more Universal Design that incorporates accessibility and usability based on knowledge from experts in the field.

I just don’t want to be trapped inside or stuck outside. However that needs to be designed to make that happen.

 

[J Alynn]

I just don’t want to be trapped inside or stuck outside. However that needs to be designed to make that happen.

If you get the cabana roof you are always just a box cutter away!

 

[oldgeeksguide]

From a functional POV, I find most EV handles to be rubbish. Not everything needs to be redesigned. Ford did it mostly right with the Lightning and missed entirely with the Mustang--so badly that they are struggling to respond to some alarming incidents involving children locked inside the Mustang because of the poorly-considered door opening design.

Also, the two-or-more motion handles are incredibly inaccessible---the EV6 handle is another example of terrible design. one should not have to unhide the handle before being able to use it. Those little protrusions don't increase drag enough to be worth the inaccessible nature.

Please, Scout, stick with single-motion, mechanical door opening mechanisms and handles that don't require electrical power to be usable.

If any kind of redesign is needed, it's a more Universal Design that incorporates accessibility and usability based on knowledge from experts in the field.

I’ve often wondered if the flush door handles really make a useful difference in real world range. I’d love to see someone measure range with and without sticky-outy door handles.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I’ve often wondered if the flush door handles really make a useful difference in real world range. I’d love to see someone measure range with and without sticky-outy door handles.

If we’re talking on a pickup truck or SUV? Making the door handles less usable doesn’t improve aerodynamics because the rest of the shape is so much more of an issue than a tiny protrusion on the door.

If we’re talking on a Lucid Air or Ioniq 6, then it’s still not clear it matters. Those two vehicles have a coefficient of drag of 0.21 and don’t have handles. But the Volkswagen XL1 had a Cd of 0.19 and had protrusions on the doors.

 

[R1TVT]

Please, Scout, stick with single-motion, mechanical door opening mechanisms and handles that don't require electrical power to be usable.

I'm not surprised by the responses. The Ford Lightening is basically a F-150 with a battery pack underneath it, in terms of design. That was a smart way for Ford to get a specific niche of buyers that didn't want their EV truck to look much different than it did in 1999). I know Scout is trying to do a little of that with their history, but they are also trying to take the design from the original and modernize it.

I'm actually not sure anyone really understood what I was trying to describe though.

To clarify what I wrote, I never said to make them electronic or to change them from single motion / pull release. Part of the reason why I would love to see another design, was to see if the truck could retain its clean belt-line even better with the same type of handle (BUT make the outside edge of the handle flush, such that it is more fully recessed).

Its not a deal breaker or a hill to die on for sure! Just a design idea.

 

[Hedrock]

Relevant to this thread, Jamie has said they’ll be mechanical door handles.


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