Current EV owners, are you planning to buy the BEV or the Harvester? And if you care to share, what’s your current EV and use case and what are your reasons for staying EV or switching to EREV. Please only vote if you are already drive an EV.
Current EV owners…are you staying BEV or switching to Harvester?
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We own two BEVs:
There’s nothing that could convince us to give up the convenience, quiet, cleanliness, lower maintenance, and overall lower cost of owning a BEV, not to mention that we generate our own “fuel” passively just by putting a few silicon slabs on the roof.
We don’t do brand loyalty, so if Scout drops the BEV, I’ll be sad, but will find a different brand to meet our vehicular needs.
Went with Ford for both our vehicles because these vehicles met our needs much more than any others on the market. Every six months or so we look at other vehicles out there and none check as many boxes as these do. But if something does (the Traveler, maybe?), when it’s time to replace, we’ll easily skip out on Ford.
- A 2022 Mustang Mach-E, California Route 1 Extended Range AWD
- A 2023 F-150 Lightning Lariat Extended Range AWD
There’s nothing that could convince us to give up the convenience, quiet, cleanliness, lower maintenance, and overall lower cost of owning a BEV, not to mention that we generate our own “fuel” passively just by putting a few silicon slabs on the roof.
We don’t do brand loyalty, so if Scout drops the BEV, I’ll be sad, but will find a different brand to meet our vehicular needs.
Went with Ford for both our vehicles because these vehicles met our needs much more than any others on the market. Every six months or so we look at other vehicles out there and none check as many boxes as these do. But if something does (the Traveler, maybe?), when it’s time to replace, we’ll easily skip out on Ford.
We haven’t seen the performance specs for either configuration. 800v architecture and ~300 miles of range, which might translate to 220-240 charged to 80% would be fine for me but the Harvester sounds great as long as the performance doesn’t suffer too much, there is opportunity cost with either route either will suit me fine.
For me the Scout, regardless of configuration is going to fit my needs, it will do everything better than my current Audi E-TRON & it will be fun to drive. I also don’t care what it costs, Just get it to me sooner rather than later!
For me the Scout, regardless of configuration is going to fit my needs, it will do everything better than my current Audi E-TRON & it will be fun to drive. I also don’t care what it costs, Just get it to me sooner rather than later!
Didn’t @cyure essentially just start a similar thread 2 days ago or am I missing something?
that's asking about switching reservations - this is about currently owning an EV but replacing it with the Harvester
I took the question here to mean, “would you give up your EV for a Scout Harvester?”
The other question to me was more, “what could convince you to switch your reservation from BEV to Harvester.”
While related, I don’t think they’re the same question.
The general, worldwide population has a 92% response of “EV” on the question of, “if you had to replace your EV tomorrow, what would you replace it with?"
The population on this forum isn’t really representative of the world-wide EV-owning population, for lots of different reasons. I wouldn’t expect there to be more than about 60-75% “keeping the BEV” in a poll in this forum.
The other question to me was more, “what could convince you to switch your reservation from BEV to Harvester.”
While related, I don’t think they’re the same question.
The general, worldwide population has a 92% response of “EV” on the question of, “if you had to replace your EV tomorrow, what would you replace it with?"
The population on this forum isn’t really representative of the world-wide EV-owning population, for lots of different reasons. I wouldn’t expect there to be more than about 60-75% “keeping the BEV” in a poll in this forum.
I had to close that file once i saw 90% think climate change is the problem.
The climate is constantly changing. Global Warming is the actual semi issue that could be fixed/reversed bu small changes.
global warming is climate change - scientists stopped using global warming as much because every time it snowed some people would say "see it's not getting warmer!"
It's unfortunate that you to choose to misunderstand the science. You could learn a lot by engaging with real scientists.
The science that enables your phone/computer to work and your F-150 to work (chemistry and physics) is the exact same science that enables us to understand how burning fossil fuels, clear-cutting forests, baking limestone to create portland cement, etc., etc., etc is absolutely causing the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases to increase. And that, in turn, is causing the Earth’s average temperature to increase and the Earth's climate to become wildly oscillating and of whack much more quickly than natural systems have evolved to respond. It’s all the same science. To choose to remain ignorant of that science is a sad choice to make.
Im in no way shape or form saying humans aren't making it worse. All I'm saying is it isn't that bad. If Billionaire continue to fly jets that includes them all, not just the right wing ones.... Rockets continue to get launched into space. Miners are still mining. Most are actually still slave workers that are mining all the metals for EVs. Not a good look.
Obviously "climate change" aint that bad if all these things are continuing to happen.
Uh! And you just stated my point. It's not that big of a deal at the moment. If it was im sure a massive corporation would be doing thing to fix it.
And plus Bill Gates says its not an issue and won't be the end for civilization for many generations to come.
It really is very bad.
Just because billionaires don’t care and have never cared about anyone else doesn’t mean the problem isn’t real. They’re just rich enough the believe they’ll never have to face the consequences.
Rockets don’t contribute a lot to the total greenhouse gas emissions. The math is pretty straightforward here. Yes, one rocket vs, say, one pickup truck is obviously a big difference. But the total number of rockets is tiny compared with other things going on.
Because of the long, long history of the O&G industry fighting the science, O&G extraction and mining is still going on. Which is really, really wild to me. If I had 1 or 10 or 100 million dollars of free capital, I would start a mining company devoted to buying landfills and mining them for precious materials (metals, minerals, etc). The concentrations of highly-valuable materials is highest in landfills than almost any other mine in the world. Not more than all, but more than many.
I recently wrote an internal white paper about how lucrative it could be to do a ridiculous thing:
We could make money by launching landfill materials into space, mine them there, eject the toxic left-overs out of Earth orbit, and bring the valuables back to Earth. It would be more lucrative than looking for new mines on the Earth and a LOT more lucrative than looking to space for mining… Of course, if we didn’t launch them into space we could make even more money; we would just have to take care not to spew even more toxic crap into our environment. Sadly, I don’t have access to that kind of capital and it’s not a “sexy” VC kind of pitch.
Aren't companies already looking into bring trash from landfills to space? I feel like i learned about this recently on a video.
I haven’t had time to look this year. Just trying to keep a paycheck coming in.
Some were looking to demonstrate ore refinement in low earth orbit. But they really messed up by not asking for expertise from NASA scientists and engineers and lost control of their spacecraft. They learned an expensive lesson that was already known by those experts.
So you’re saying you trust corporations to choose to fix the planet instead of increasing short term profits? Hoo boy. Can I sell you a bridge? I need cash for my Scout.
Also I did not state your point in any way shape or form. If you mean where I said some people think snowing means global warming isn’t happening, let me explain why we changed from global warming to climate change.
The climate is changing. Some places are getting hotter. Some are getting colder. The annual weather cycles are still happening but they are becoming more extreme. Storms are getting worse. Overall, the average temperature of the whole globe is increasing. This can happen even if there’s still snow in places. That just means it either didn’t get as cold as it usually does there while still being cold enough for snow or some other place is even hotter, bringing up the average. This isn’t a thing that the thermometer in your backyard will show easily. It’s got to be measured around the world.
This might be splitting hairs but the poll in the link gives the option of “plug in hybrid” as a replacement of an EV and I don’t consider a EREV plug in hybrid (Harvester) to be the same as current “plug in hybrids” and there are no current offerings for a plug in hybrid truck.
We owned a Mach-e and Ioniq5, approx 120,000 miles combined in the last 3 years and were overall very satisfied with them. Our needs changed and we need a truck to do “truck stuff” 10% of the time. I almost traded the Mach-e for a Silverado EV, but opted for a gas truck instead because the shortcomings of an EV truck over a gas truck were too much to ignore for our use case. I consider EV trucks to be local only vehicles when doing “truck stuff”. Road trips in an EV in cold weather can be challenging, decreased range, increased charge times, and the greater likelihood of running into a que at DC fast chargers and those concerns are magnified when doing high demand “truck stuff”. EVs are great and vastly superior 90% of the time but it doesn’t make $ense to me to own 3 vehicles to meet 100% of my needs, even if I have to now burn fossil fuel instead of electrons to meet my local needs and believe me I HATE firing up the big V8 gas engine in a 3 ton truck to haul my 180lb butt 30 miles to work.
Enter the EREV, you get all the advantages of an electric drivetrain, you can still meet 90% of your needs electrically and now you have the ICE as a backup to meet the last 10%. So even though I am a proponent of EVs in general, I am firmly in the switching to harvester camp, at least until the truck stuff performance of EV trucks matches gas/diesel.
And not directed entirely at you but can we please stay away from the climate change debate.
I am not going to bring it up but I am also not going to not correct misinformation.
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