Actual delay official and order of deliveries confirmed?

[rehajm]

every manufacturer thought the market was too crowded, no one would get into this business.

…that’s cute Jamie and I’m hopeful Scout is a huge success in a soon to be very crowded market. Related: have you seen the latest, long list of vehicles manufacturers are exiting from the market?

 

[R1TVT]

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

…that’s cute Jamie and I’m hopeful Scout is a huge success in a soon to be very crowded market. Related: have you seen the latest, long list of vehicles manufacturers are exiting from the market?

The exiting manufacturers make Jamie’s point.

 

[MClayton]

The biggest hurdle I see with Scout is price. The Lightning showed that few people are willing to pay more for a less capable EV truck.

I think that it's a real possibility that by the time you can actually buy a Scout (my guess mid 2028?) Scout will not be competitive price-wise. I hope I am wrong.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I think TFL hit a lot of points everyone is thinking about:

 

[rehajm]

I think TFL hit a lot of points everyone is thinking about:

…yah they hit many of the points we’re addressing. I’m not sure I like the Scout/Buzz comparison- one thing all the talking heads miss is how the dealers helped botched the rollout. I had some interest in it but that was extinguished when the 40k over MSRP numbers were bouncing around. I left and didn’t come back…

 

[R1TVT]

Scout/Buzz Comparison? Now I am definitely not going to click the bait.

 

[RodorW]

The video title also calls. Both vehicles Terra.. that’s enough to dissuade me from listening to their opinions. They have made interesting videos that I have enjoyed watching in the past, but especially with electric vehicles in the past couple years it feels like they really enjoy complaining.

 

[J Alynn]

Scout/Buzz Comparison? Now I am definitely not going to click the bait.

Agree. Wasted words

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Agree. Wasted words

They weren’t comparing Scout to Buzz as vehicle vs vehicle. They were comparing the anticipation of the Buzz to Scout, and the failed delivery by VW as well as the range of the Buzz.

 

[Mousehunter]

The Buzz (in one format or another) was teased by VW for more than a decade before they apparently got serious about it. Automotive press made a bunch of guesses that created speculation - then VW missed the boat completely by delivering what they thought people needed rather than what they wanted or were expecting. In one respect - I appreciate that. I have never really did a harder 180 with my interest in a vehicle. It went from a hard want to a no way in hell. Missing the mark by less would have actually forced me to still consider it.

 

[RodorW]

The Buzz (in one format or another) was teased by VW for more than a decade before they apparently got serious about it. Automotive press made a bunch of guesses that created speculation - then VW missed the boat completely by delivering what they thought people needed rather than what they wanted or were expecting. In one respect - I appreciate that. I have never really did a harder 180 with my interest in a vehicle. It went from a hard want to a no way in hell. Missing the mark by less would have actually forced me to still consider it.

Not to mention VW dealers ruined a lot of interest with markups, very similar to what ford dealers did with the lightning. Then they mostly ordered solid colors, grey, black, white. Which people didn’t care for, to point VW was subsidizing some dealers to get them wrapped to be two tone

 

[cyure]

Not to mention VW dealers ruined a lot of interest with markups, very similar to what ford dealers did with the lightning. Then they mostly ordered solid colors, grey, black, white. Which people didn’t care for, to point VW was subsidizing some dealers to get them wrapped to be two tone

See people want color in their lives!

 

[J Alynn]

Not to mention VW dealers ruined a lot of interest with markups, very similar to what ford dealers did with the lightning. Then they mostly ordered solid colors, grey, black, white. Which people didn’t care for, to point VW was subsidizing some dealers to get them wrapped to be two tone

Agree. And yet somehow the Bronco sparked enough that 100’s of people paid well over invoice. That always blew my mind

 

[RodorW]

See people want color in their lives!

I’ve been seeing a few more of them on the roads, all vibrant, banana, lime, and apple colored they’re beautiful to see on the road honestly, meanwhile the local dealer still has all the solid white ones on the lot

 

[J Alynn]

I’ve been seeing a few more of them on the roads, all vibrant, banana, lime, and apple colored they’re beautiful to see on the road honestly, meanwhile the local dealer still has all the solid white ones on the lot

Sounds about right. Geez!

 

[rehajm]

Then they mostly ordered solid colors, grey, black, white. Which people didn’t care for, to point VW was subsidizing some dealers to get them wrapped to be two tone

…yes, I suspect that was part of it. If you’re going to launch a nostalgia vehicle you need to capture the appeal of the original. White on white doesn’t do that…

 

[Mousehunter]

Times have changed - and it was a very long time ago that I got to be neck deep in a car dealers accounting books. The dealer add on's were where all the gravy was then. Lots of dealers where selling at prices based on invoice. Even at invoice, there was money to be made on the back side due to dealer intensives - but the dealer add on's... Hell, even the AC was often a dealer add on - and those went on the invoice including dealer profit. A $5 pinstripe was on the invoice at several hundred dollars. $10 of under spray - $500. Scotchguard, tint, stereo - if it could be shipped as a dealer add on, it was.

Maybe VW forced the dealerships to get white - but I would not put it past dealers for ordering them because wraps are a great dealer add on.

 

[RodorW]

There's no denying that dealerships do things that they can charge extra for. However, dealers also will buy vehicles they think will sell that don't cost extra money. That's why they don't hold a lot of vibrantly colored vehicles on the lot even though the manufacturers sell them because people are more likely to buy a black or white vehicle that cost less over a habanero red that cost an extra $2000. So standard dealership practices within the US would be to order a single color black, white or gray vehicle cuz it's going to sell more to the mass market than a orange and white vehicle. At least that's what dealerships think

 

[RodorW]

This is also a big reason why I don't want to consider a new GM vehicle because there's no guarantee I can order what I want. I have to go to a dealership, ask them to order what I want and then they'll sell it to me after it arrives