Actual delay official and order of deliveries confirmed?

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

The EREV vs BEV debate on this forum is sort of like the 75mm vs NTN debate on the telemark forums I follow (Free Your Heel, Ski for Real!). I guess every tribe eventually grows into multiple camps.

I imagine that when the Venn diagram of "Scout Enthusiasts" and "Decarbonation Supporters" is drawn, there will be a substantial intersection with relatively narrower bands outside the intersection. That's fine, that's cool. While we wait for 2028 to arrive, I found this podcast to be very interesting: https://www.volts.wtf/p/the-fate-of-fossil-fuel-systems-in It goes deep on a recently published study of how we all mostly imagine a graph indicating electrification to be going slowly, steadily up, while fossil fuel usage is slowly, steadily going down. More than likely, it won't happen like that. The transition will be lumpy. It will be inefficient. It will likely cost everyone more time and treasure than it should.

So, if you want to drive your first (new) Scout for 20 years, then get a BEV because eventually it will be harder and harder to find a gas station and you'll be carting around a tank and an engine it will be hard to find fuel for. But, if you are like most Americans and will probably buy your second (new) Scout within about 5-10 years of your first, you'll probably be OK starting with an EREV and then switching to a BEV.

What would be super cool is if Scout Motors designed a retrofit system that could allow for a Gen 1 EREV to be retrofitted to full BEV one day. Maybe by then, we'll have super capacity solid state batteries and it will just be a matter of removing the engine and hooking the leads to a new controller sitting on top of a battery pack that is also connected to a battery pack that replaced the fuel tank. (Although, let's face it, probably easier and more profitable to sell customers a new car than a retrofit kit).

Holy sheet awesome post. Makes me wish I hadn't have dropped out of college. Was a fellow free healer starting in 1978 at Alta Utah. Hate to admit this but gear was to heavy for backcountry skiing and I got old so i shaved 8 pounds and went AT. You know decents while backcountry skiing is were one rests and the old telly takes more energy. Kudos if you have the drivers to handle it.

I am not upset with the folks who ordered the Harvester just Scout for switching the build order.

 

[robothero]

Even before this "change," expecting to be driving your Scout in 2027 was on the border of fantasy and hopium.

 

[cyure]

Even before this "change," expecting to be driving your Scout in 2027 was on the border of fantasy and hopium.

Oh yeah. I always expected those first deliveries to go to SM employees and VIPs.

 

[RodorW]

I am not upset with the folks who ordered the Harvester just Scout for switching the build order.

I feel like this, sum a lot things decently. When Scouts come back was announced it was as EV company, being an EV company makes it easier for them to follow through on the DTC model, and while there is definitely a place for an EREV in an adventure vehicle in the majority of interviews where scout, barely if at all acknowledges the all electric version of their upcoming trucks feels like they are prioritizing the reservation holders of the EREV models and while the reservations are a good baseline they’re unfortunately not guarantees so for those of us that are all in for a full Electric. It feels like we’re being slightly ignored. I would say for the crowd that wouldn’t care about scout if it weren’t for their EREV model.

 

[robothero]

Oh yeah. I always expected those first deliveries to go to SM employees and VIPs.

I think I put my reservation in like 6 hours after announcement too so I'm not at the front!

 

[cyure]

I think I put my reservation in like 6 hours after announcement too so I'm not at the front!

I made mine while the reveal was still going on.

 

[chucchinchilla]

Back in October when Manager Magazin claimed EREV would now launch before BEV I said the following...

...looks like we were both right. Note #2 was written with the understanding Scout started off as BEV-only and EREV came later meaning it's earlier in development so needs more time.

Here's how my BEV order is impacted by all this.

• Positive: Means I won't have typical first model year teething issues. Instead I'll be a couple model years in with hardware/software improvements baked in.
• Neutral: I already forecasted this correctly so mentally I'm fine plus I wasn't going to take delivery next year anyways.
• Negative: "Time kills all deals." My Audi turns 10 this year plus we've grown our family so it's starting to feel small. If I have to replace my car before Scout is ready or we replace our ID.4 next year with an EV that also serves as the road trip car (purpose of Scout) well I'm not getting a Scout.

 

[J Alynn]

It’s not really a delay. It’s more of a solidifying timeline. Maybe it’s the portions of the Internet I spend time in, but I feel like a genuine delay. Would be scout coming out and saying that there will be zero production on anything until late 2028 as of right now, nothing would be stopping them from starting production in late 27 and starting deliveries in 2028, which is realistically what most of us were expecting regardless

I see it this exact same way. It’s the “we intend to start around end of ‘w27 into ‘28 and now they are locking in a month or maybe just a few weeks. Rather under promise and over deliver and one hiccup could disrupt the whole process but less mob response if we are all out to ease now

 

[robothero]

Negative: "Time kills all deals." My Audi turns 10 this year plus we've grown our family so it's starting to feel small. If I have to replace my car before Scout is ready or we replace our ID.4 next year with an EV that also serves as the road trip car (purpose of Scout) well I'm not getting a Scout.

I feel this in my bones. You've got a few years on me but every time I hear a noise I go "is this going to be the one?" and start figuring out what I'd be forced into driving in the interim.

 

[J Alynn]

This is also the thing that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me given the wording it’s fair and easy to assume that they will batch people together based on what they have currently reserved being traveler first along with harvester models however nobody has to lock in on anything until scout sends them the offer to place their order in full, so what if people have placed their reservation for the harvester model but come to the determination that they would rather go all Electric or knowing that they have chosen harvester to get in early, but will choose all Electric at the final stage is scout going to tell them that they can’t accept their order or is scout going to take their money and tell them it’s gonna be a bit

I’m still of the belief that BEV res holders will all convert to BEV. Those with EREV, some will go BEV and sadly I think many will fall off. They desperately want a SCOUT by don’t want to plug in and if a RAM comes first or the Ford they’ll be out the door. If some amazing SUV, even ICE comes to market next year many will jump. True scout lovers will stay either way as will BEV, the rest are all crap shoots.

 

[J Alynn]

Back in October when Manager Magazin claimed EREV would now launch before BEV I said the following...
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...looks like we were both right. Note #2 was written with the understanding Scout started off as BEV-only and EREV came later meaning it's earlier in development so needs more time.

Here's how my BEV order is impacted by all this.

• Positive: Means I won't have typical first model year teething issues. Instead I'll be a couple model years in with hardware/software improvements baked in.
• Neutral: I already forecasted this correctly so mentally I'm fine plus I wasn't going to take delivery next year anyways.
• Negative: "Time kills all deals." My Audi turns 10 this year plus we've grown our family so it's starting to feel small. If I have to replace my car before Scout is ready or we replace our ID.4 next year with an EV that also serves as the road trip car (purpose of Scout) well I'm not getting a Scout.

And your last point is where SM starts walking a thin line

 

[chucchinchilla]

I’m still of the belief that BEV res holders will all convert to BEV. Those with EREV, some will go BEV

IMO quite a lot of EREV will convert to BEV. From the time the bulk of reservations were placed to when people start placing orders you're looking at 3-4 years of EV infrastructure development, adoption, and market acceptance meaning a lot of people will decide they don't need the crutch of the EREV. Now add on the following years of sales.

 

[Mousehunter]

In the past, they have said production will begin in late 2027, they are now saying deliveries will begin in 2028 - those are not mutually exclusive. Honestly, the first almost already dictated the second. Prioritizing the version with the highest number of reservations is also fairly expected. But prioritizing does not mean it will necessarily be exclusive. All it really means is the most effort will be focused on it - and honestly the EREV will probably take more effort anyway.

In the end - we really don't know how long it will take for our reservation numbers to float to the top of the list and we will be given the opportunity to order and eventually take delivery. At one point, they mentioned that production will start at 50k vehicles per year and ramp up - and there are roughly 200k reservations currently.

As far as we actually know - they could easily still be planning on the same initial production, but just wanting to inventory a few hundred/thousand more vehicles until the initial deliveries. Which honestly just gives them a little more time to get the service side built up.

 

[robothero]

I am currently in the EREV reservation line but have switched back and forth a few times and would happily jump when the time comes if the stars align properly.

 

[cyure]

I feel this in my bones. You've got a few years on me but every time I hear a noise I go "is this going to be the one?" and start figuring out what I'd be forced into driving in the interim.

I feel this in my bones. You've got a few years on me but every time I hear a noise I go "is this going to be the one?" and start figuring out what I'd be forced into driving in the interim.

That’s the only thing I have going for me is that darn MOPAR lifetime warranty. Thank goodness because I’ll make it.

 

[chucchinchilla]

In the past, they have said production will begin in late 2027, they are now saying deliveries will begin in 2028 - those are not mutually exclusive. Honestly, the first almost already dictated the second. Prioritizing the version with the highest number of reservations is also fairly expected. But prioritizing does not mean it will necessarily be exclusive. All it really means is the most effort will be focused on it - and honestly the EREV will probably take more effort anyway.

In the end - we really don't know how long it will take for our reservation numbers to float to the top of the list and we will be given the opportunity to order and eventually take delivery. At one point, they mentioned that production will start at 50k vehicles per year and ramp up - and there are roughly 200k reservations currently.

As far as we actually know - they could easily still be planning on the same initial production, but just wanting to inventory a few hundred/thousand more vehicles until the initial deliveries. Which honestly just gives them a little more time to get the service side built up.

In my post above I mentioned Manager Magazin correctly calling the shift to EREV first. That same report also claimed Scout "will initially only be available with a combustion engine as a range extender – and not as a purely battery-electric vehicle." I think we can safely conclude it will be exclusively EREV production at the start which I believe is summer 2028. No way would they muck up that initial production by starting BEV within the first couple of months so let's be pragmatic and say best case 2029 for BEV production. Add in delays, big queue of reservation holders, regional delivery prioritization, blah blah blah, and I'm probably not looking at taking delivery of a BEV Traveler until 2030.

 

[cyure]

In my post above I mentioned Manager Magazin correctly calling the shift to EREV first. That same report also claimed Scout "will initially only be available with a combustion engine as a range extender – and not as a purely battery-electric vehicle." I think we can safely conclude it will be exclusively EREV production at the start which I believe is summer 2028. No way would they muck up that initial production by starting BEV within the first couple of months so let's be pragmatic and say best case 2029 for BEV production. Add in delays, big queue of reservation holders, regional delivery prioritization, blah blah blah, and I'm probably not looking at taking delivery of a BEV Traveler until 2030.

Okay I’m going to stop you all right there. There’s a lot of 2029 and 2030 dates being thrown about and I’m sorry I just don’t see it. I just can’t imagine them having a full model year of only Traveler Harvesters. Call it women’s intuition or whatever you want to, but I just think they are going to go faster than you all are anticipating.

 

[rfk]

In my post above I mentioned Manager Magazin correctly calling the shift to EREV first. That same report also claimed Scout "will initially only be available with a combustion engine as a range extender – and not as a purely battery-electric vehicle." I think we can safely conclude it will be exclusively EREV production at the start which I believe is summer 2028. No way would they muck up that initial production by starting BEV within the first couple of months so let's be pragmatic and say best case 2029 for BEV production. Add in delays, big queue of reservation holders, regional delivery prioritization, blah blah blah, and I'm probably not looking at taking delivery of a BEV Traveler until 2030.

Okay I’m going to stop you all right there. There’s a lot of 2029 and 2030 dates being thrown about and I’m sorry I just don’t see it. I just can’t imagine them having a full model year of only Traveler Harvesters. Call it women’s intuition or whatever you want to, but I just think they are going to go faster than you all are anticipating.

My box on the board says EREV production mid-2028 for MY29, then BEV production mid-2029 for MY30.

 

[cyure]

My box on the board says EREV production mid-2028 for MY29, then BEV production mid-2029 for MY30.

So you are saying no model year 28 at all?

 

[strider]

I think some of it will come down to what is ready when the factory is ready. If they are sitting on a pile of battery cells and few engines, they will start with BEV. If they are lacking battery cells and have access to engines they will start with EREV. They will do whatever they can to ship as many vehicles as quickly as they can in order to begin paying back their creditors and fund the design of the next set of vehicles.

There's also the fact that BEV was designed first and they started EREV later so it may not be ready in time for production start.

Like @cyure I don't have any time constraints. My Tesla MXP is from 2022 so it will be fine if timelines drift.

At the end of the day, it's going to happen when it happens. I have seen this movie a couple of times now with Tesla (customer since 2010). There will be untold wailing and gnashing of teeth on here up to and during that initial production push. I promise you that you would rather wait 6 months and get a trouble-free vehicle than to get it earlier and have it end up in the shop.

Scout team - take your time. Deliver a high-quality vehicle. People will forget that their vehicle was delayed 6 months. They will NOT forget if it spends 6 months in the shop.