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Right. I was trying to ask how much a replacement would cost. My apologies for not clarifying.
That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe
 
That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe
Thanks for the informative video. Learn something new every day.
 
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That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe
McLaren and LR. Well that makes me think it’s costs a billion dollars to repair them. 😹
 
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McLaren and LR. Well that makes me think it’s costs a billion dollars to repair them. 😹
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That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe
I knew about the "Sway Bar Disconnect" they had borrowed from McLaren but wasnt sure what it looked like. Its very cool to see a breakdown on this system.

Sway Bar Disconnects make a huge difference off road, and gives you a planted ride on the highway.

Lexus has E-KDSS and it makes a huge difference in articulation as well as road manners. They use a bar that goes to both sides and disconnects to allow for more flex.

This hydraulic system is incredible and saves space and weight.

Yeah I was more curious about how much a single strut would cost to replace on a Rivian R1S or R1T.
 
McLaren and LR. Well that makes me think it’s costs a billion dollars to repair them. 😹
Correct, this is a more expensive and complex system than any traditional shock/strut/coil-over/leaf type set-up... That is one of the trade-offs that comes with all of the cool functionality you get!
 
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1999 Land Cruiser
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2011 Lexus GX460
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2004 Lexus GX470 (Current)

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Each one had air bags I could raise or lower.
Each Lexus had electronically adjustable shocks as well.

The rear lift on the GX’s cost around $1.25 in washers from Ace Hardware. No need to replace the rear shocks (but I did anyways).

Several Toyotas and Lexus vehicles still offer air springs.

Semi trucks are designed to drive 1,000,000 miles. Almost every single of them on the road has air bags. They are exposed to a lot of forces, the elements, and abuse, but aren’t dramatically larger than the ones you’ll find in the vehicles above.

There are companies out there like Air Bag Man that offers air springs that are taller than OEM. Will probably go that route when it’s time to replace my factory ones.

Steel still fatigues. Steel can corrode. Steel springs still need to be replaced after a few decades. It’s rare but steel springs can also just fail and break.

But both will likely last a long time though.

For desert running coilovers win hands down. But we have hauled ass on fire roads and offroad trails loaded with camping gear without blowing a bag and it was a lot smoother than rigs I’ve had with rear coil springs.

If you are seriously pursuing high speeds you’ll be ripping out whatever factory suspension system is in there anyways and shelling out $10,000-$50,000 in long travel suspension.

The 6112s are definitely slept on. For most people they are a great option and will do everything someone needs them to do. I had Old Man Emu and Dobinsons in the past and the Bilsteins run much smoother. They’re cheaper too which is nice. I found a set for $590 on Amazon and jumped on it! Definitely recommend them.
Very thorough. Thanks for sharing!

I’m still (maybe irrationally) leery of full air struts but this is very reassuring.
 
I love the way it lets you know how many Days, Hours & Minutes are left on the battery.
This will be a source of frustration to many. It will always just be an estimate and many people will be unhappy with it because it's an overestimate some days and an underestimate other days. Some people will be mad because they set their watch to it and they got 17 seconds or 2 hours less time than the estimate.

Similarly, there will be questions like, "Did Scout give me the wrong battery?!" on the forums.
 
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Very thorough. Thanks for sharing!

I’m still (maybe irrationally) leery of full air struts but this is very reassuring.
Its not irrational.

I totally get it and resisted air for a long time.

I was going to convert both Lexus to coil springs but realized how much smoother it was on the road where I spend a majority of my time, and all the benefits with towing and camping outweighed the cons FOR MY USE CASE. I just keep a spare bag with me on the trail. They take about 10 minutes to swap so it isnt a showstopper for me if one blows.

We still dont know what design Scout will go with for their air ride systems or how serviceable it will be. If you are still feeling unsure once that materializes, there is no shame in sticking to what you know works.
 
This will be a source of frustration to many. It will always just be an estimate and many people will be unhappy with it because it's an overestimate some days and an underestimate other days. Some people will be mad because they set their watch to it and they got 17 seconds or 2 hours less time than the estimate.

Similarly, there will be questions like, "Did Scout give me the wrong battery?!" on the forums.
This is very true!

Estimates can also be updated in real-time based on things like current consumption, weather, altitude, etc.

When you see that you have "50%" of your battery, or that you have "150 miles of range" sitting in your driveway - that is an estimate based on normal conditions. Wehn you rip up a steep mountain pass going 80MPH, or attach a 5,000 LB trailer (for example) and suddenly realize your battery discharged faster than anticipated (because you changed your driving behaviors), you really shouldn't be that surprised.

In my very first car (a V8), you could literally see the needle on the gas gauge move toward "E" if you suddenly floored it and sucked up a gallon of gasoline. No different sucking up electrons, which of course changes your range estimates. It also works in the opposite manner in an EV with estimates. If you find your self moving more slowly on the HWY, or cruising down a long mountain pass, your consumption will drop and your range will increase. Cuts both ways. (y)
 
This is very true!

Estimates can also be updated in real-time based on things like current consumption, weather, altitude, etc.

When you see that you have "50%" of your battery, or that you have "150 miles of range" sitting in your driveway - that is an estimate based on normal conditions. Wehn you rip up a steep mountain pass going 80MPH, or attach a 5,000 LB trailer (for example) and suddenly realize your battery discharged faster than anticipated (because you changed your driving behaviors), you really shouldn't be that surprised.

In my very first car (a V8), you could literally see the needle on the gas gauge move toward "E" if you suddenly floored it and sucked up a gallon of gasoline. No different sucking up electrons, which of course changes your range estimates. It also works in the opposite manner in an EV with estimates. If you find your self moving more slowly on the HWY, or cruising down a long mountain pass, your consumption will drop and your range will increase. Cuts both ways. (y)
Okay another one of my pesky questions. When all your EV owners out there for your first EV did you ever go too far, not have enough range to get to a charger and have to be towed? I think that’s ones of my fears is being stranded with a dead car and no one can just bring me a can of electricity.
 
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This is very true!

Estimates can also be updated in real-time based on things like current consumption, weather, altitude, etc.

When you see that you have "50%" of your battery, or that you have "150 miles of range" sitting in your driveway - that is an estimate based on normal conditions. Wehn you rip up a steep mountain pass going 80MPH, or attach a 5,000 LB trailer (for example) and suddenly realize your battery discharged faster than anticipated (because you changed your driving behaviors), you really shouldn't be that surprised.

In my very first car (a V8), you could literally see the needle on the gas gauge move toward "E" if you suddenly floored it and sucked up a gallon of gasoline. No different sucking up electrons, which of course changes your range estimates. It also works in the opposite manner in an EV with estimates. If you find your self moving more slowly on the HWY, or cruising down a long mountain pass, your consumption will drop and your range will increase. Cuts both ways. (y)
I think this might be something Scout could do differently from a lot of other EV companies: Once they have the EPA estimates, they can’t change those (except to lower them in specific ways), but they can do longer-term education on their specs pages with tables of expected range based on driving behavior with the literal “YMMV” warnings all over it. And maybe even a card that’s in the glove box with the same table.

I think honesty would be the best approach to helping customers be happy with their vehicles.
 
Okay another one of my pesky questions. When all your EV owners out there for your first EV did you ever go too far, not have enough range to get to a charger and have to be towed? I think that’s ones of my fears is being stranded with a dead car and no one can just bring me a can of electricity.
I have never run out of range or had to be towed. I think the lowest SOC I ever hit was around 4 or 5%. You can also drive more slowly and preserve range if you feel like you are in danger. Out of Spec has some long and quite boring range tests you can watch. Its pretty hard to hit safe mode and run out of electrons these days based on the pure density of chargers in most major areas.
 
I have never run out of range or had to be towed. I think the lowest SOC I ever hit was around 4 or 5%. You can also drive more slowly and preserve range if you feel like you are in danger. Out of Spec has some long and quite boring range tests you can watch. Its pretty hard to hit safe mode and run out of electrons these days based on the pure density of chargers in most major areas.
That’s helpful, thanks.
 
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Okay another one of my pesky questions. When all your EV owners out there for your first EV did you ever go too far, not have enough range to get to a charger and have to be towed? I think that’s ones of my fears is being stranded with a dead car and no one can just bring me a can of electricity.
I have never. I answered in the “ask us anything” thread since I think this is a common concern. IMO, it’s even worthy of its own thread to ask for ideas of how to avoid running out.
 
Okay another one of my pesky questions. When all your EV owners out there for your first EV did you ever go too far, not have enough range to get to a charger and have to be towed? I think that’s ones of my fears is being stranded with a dead car and no one can just bring me a can of electricity.
After driving for sometime and maybe a lot of unnecessary charging sessions it will accrue to you that the battery level is just like your current gas gauge. You will know what to do and when to do it over time. I know it has been asked here on the forum and I have asked friends who drive an EV if they ever ran out of “Fuel” , they all said never.
 
This is very true!

Estimates can also be updated in real-time based on things like current consumption, weather, altitude, etc.

When you see that you have "50%" of your battery, or that you have "150 miles of range" sitting in your driveway - that is an estimate based on normal conditions. Wehn you rip up a steep mountain pass going 80MPH, or attach a 5,000 LB trailer (for example) and suddenly realize your battery discharged faster than anticipated (because you changed your driving behaviors), you really shouldn't be that surprised.

In my very first car (a V8), you could literally see the needle on the gas gauge move toward "E" if you suddenly floored it and sucked up a gallon of gasoline. No different sucking up electrons, which of course changes your range estimates. It also works in the opposite manner in an EV with estimates. If you find your self moving more slowly on the HWY, or cruising down a long mountain pass, your consumption will drop and your range will increase. Cuts both ways. (y)
At least you get some of that energy back in an EV once you crest the hill with your trailer and started heading down the other side.

Id love for my gas tank to fill back up when I coast downhill 😆
 
At least you get some of that energy back in an EV once you crest the hill with your trailer and started heading down the other side.

Id love for my gas tank to fill back up when I coast downhill 😆
LOL. If you are going downhill with regen you could actually be producing more energy than your battery can physically accept. Steep grades with a trailer will "push" so much energy so fast that regen can become limited with heat, or if there is the potential to run out of battery capacity based on a high SOC, for example. This is also when you realize how inefficient mechanical brakes are on an ICE vehicle.