Driving Distance Poll

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How far do you need the vehicle to go in a single day for at least one activity a month?

  • Less than 50 miles

    Votes: 7 12.3%
  • Between 50 -150

    Votes: 13 22.8%
  • Between 150-250

    Votes: 11 19.3%
  • Between 250-350

    Votes: 14 24.6%
  • Between 350-450

    Votes: 8 14.0%
  • More than 450

    Votes: 4 7.0%

  • Total voters
    57
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I do this all the time, but usually in a place like the Green Mountain National Forest. The amount of "buffer" required to get back to a charger after a day in the mountains isn't high. If I charge up en route, I can make it back out of the forest with plenty of energy to spare, and generally I'm on a downhill route out with a tailwind and with regen working in my favor.
I had this experience on my road trip in Quebec, I went to a national park further north, I was expecting to use a lot more energy than I did, especially given the cold and snow on the roads. I even charged to 95% at a supercharger and I never go that high normally. Even after spending most of the day in the park, including driving to multiple spots, I still got back out and went by the charger I stopped at on the way back with 33% battery.
 
I've got a daily round trip commute of 52 miles, my office building has free EV charging and I'm almost always here earlier in the morning than anyone else. Free charging twice a week while I'm at work for example would get me by on a Traveler Harvester.

But I need to be able to tow my old Wrangler around on it's car hauler once a month or so and I need to be able to go 200 or so miles round trip. Couple of times a year I will need to go 300+ miles round trip while towing. If I have to make a stop or two on those longer trips to charge or gas up, that is fine. Towing capacity is the stat I'm most anticipating about this vehicle.
 
I've got a daily round trip commute of 52 miles, my office building has free EV charging and I'm almost always here earlier in the morning than anyone else. Free charging twice a week while I'm at work for example would get me by on a Traveler Harvester.

But I need to be able to tow my old Wrangler around on it's car hauler once a month or so and I need to be able to go 200 or so miles round trip. Couple of times a year I will need to go 300+ miles round trip while towing. If I have to make a stop or two on those longer trips to charge or gas up, that is fine. Towing capacity is the stat I'm most anticipating about this vehicle.
Sounds like full EV might be a good choice for you
 
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Correct, not every Supercharger site is available to non-Teslas.

We are seeing more and more gas stations with DCFC's, and certainly the bigger players in the C-Store space have been ahead of the curve compared to the big gas station brands. The ones that want to sell food (the WaWa's, the Sheets, etc.) are adding many locations, as that makes perfect sense. The entire landscape for charging will evolve, and hopefully it will look more like a Rivian outpost than a dark gas station with a vending machine and a dirty bathroom that requires a key on a wooden dowel.
In my travels I'm seeing more and more new gas stations/ big truck stations add EV chargers and larger area to sit and eat. There will always be the lowly old gas stations because not much demand or care to upkeep. For Rivian, I wonder if they can afford to have that many Outposts available considering their current bottom line. I just read they found $31K in saving on the R1S/R1T but aren't passing any on to consumers. I'm a little skeptical of such a large savings. But let's see how it plays out.
 
In my travels I'm seeing more and more new gas stations/ big truck stations add EV chargers and larger area to sit and eat. There will always be the lowly old gas stations because not much demand or care to upkeep. For Rivian, I wonder if they can afford to have that many Outposts available considering their current bottom line. I just read they found $31K in saving on the R1S/R1T but aren't passing any on to consumers. I'm a little skeptical of such a large savings. But let's see how it plays out.
I don’t think “aren’t passing any on to consumers” is really the right characterization. It’s more like “they might start making profit by the end of the year”. If they had passed their previous/current costs to consumers, they wouldn’t have stayed in business long enough to make any money, so their prices have always been with long term costs in mind. You might say they’ve been passing that savings on to consumers since long before those savings existed.