winch, stairs/sliders, wheel in the front trunk, mobile sunroof

[C D]

It is an SUV with great potential for OFFROAD, I would recommend some adjustments/equipment to the car, as I would like my pre-ordered car to have:
- Equipped with winch or at least preparation for winch installation
- Electric side steps for getting into the car, which can also be used as sliders, possibly with two settings for driving: in off-road mode they should be positioned on the side and under the threshold, and for on-road they should be lowered under the car
-Space for the spare wheel under the front hood, hidden in the trunk, for daily use. For expeditions or if extra storage space is needed, it can be placed in the back, outside the car. This increases aerodynamics, changes the center of gravity of the car and protects the tire from UV, including the length of the car is easier for parking.
-The trunk is large enough, it can also be configured on the 7-seater version, with side-folding seats that can be removed.
- Slightly higher overfenders, to protect the wings from scratches laterally
-Reinforcement between the B-pillars on the dome, for better rigidity, similar to the rollcage from the Wrangler, Bronco,. In this case, the result would be a sunroof, separated into two parts, and the front part can be movable, which can be raised or even be removable. It must not slide electrically, because reliability decreases and costs increase.

Congratulations for what you have achieved so far with these models!

 

[J Alynn]

Would agree. Had a Bronco briefly and I would say part of the Broncos success (though the quality failed us and we dumped it) was the IFS because compared to the ride quality in a Wrangler -it was night and day. Again, majority of buyers are never doing hard core off roading and the Squatch package was enough to make 95% of buyers happy. I’d LR didn’t have constant electrical/tech gremlins they may have had a stronger fight as well. Ineos was a specific vehicle build and not really user friendly as a daily driver for majority of SUV drivers. While it certainly is hardcore the sales show it isn’t going to be hugely successful beyond the serious off roading segment. From day one if has felt like this would be the EV version of the new competitor between Bronco and Wrangler. Sure you can throw Toyota in the mix and LR but neither has the same cult following as the Scouts so it will be interesting to see how successful the final vehicles will end up being

 

[cyure]

Would agree. Had a Bronco briefly and I would say part of the Broncos success (though the quality failed us and we dumped it) was the IFS because compared to the ride quality in a Wrangler -it was night and day. Again, majority of buyers are never doing hard core off roading and the Squatch package was enough to make 95% of buyers happy. I’d LR didn’t have constant electrical/tech gremlins they may have had a stronger fight as well. Ineos was a specific vehicle build and not really user friendly as a daily driver for majority of SUV drivers. While it certainly is hardcore the sales show it isn’t going to be hugely successful beyond the serious off roading segment. From day one if has felt like this would be the EV version of the new competitor between Bronco and Wrangler. Sure you can throw Toyota in the mix and LR but neither has the same cult following as the Scouts so it will be interesting to see how successful the final vehicles will end up being

You beat me too it J! Exactly what I was going to say. LR is down near the bottom of JD powers for quality. If they could fix those issues they would do better, in my opinion

And having test drive a Grenadier twice it’s too expensive for what it is and too focused on over landing for the average buyer. Yes my Wrangler has 33s and steel bumpers, etc etc but she is my pavement princess.

Scout needs to be successful right out of the gate. I’m sure they will have different trim levels like the others do but having a heavy duty off roader will come with an increased cost and a smaller market share.

I really do hope everyone gets what they want. Truly. And for someone who is seriously into off-roading that may be something like readily available off-road options that are easy to just bolt on.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

It is an SUV with great potential for OFFROAD, I would recommend some adjustments/equipment to the car, as I would like my pre-ordered car to have:
- Equipped with winch or at least preparation for winch installation
- Electric side steps for getting into the car, which can also be used as sliders, possibly with two settings for driving: in off-road mode they should be positioned on the side and under the threshold, and for on-road they should be lowered under the car
-Space for the spare wheel under the front hood, hidden in the trunk, for daily use. For expeditions or if extra storage space is needed, it can be placed in the back, outside the car. This increases aerodynamics, changes the center of gravity of the car and protects the tire from UV, including the length of the car is easier for parking.
-The trunk is large enough, it can also be configured on the 7-seater version, with side-folding seats that can be removed.
- Slightly higher overfenders, to protect the wings from scratches laterally
-Reinforcement between the B-pillars on the dome, for better rigidity, similar to the rollcage from the Wrangler, Bronco,. In this case, the result would be a sunroof, separated into two parts, and the front part can be movable, which can be raised or even be removable. It must not slide electrically, because reliability decreases and costs increase.

Congratulations for what you have achieved so far with these models!

I like the winch idea. However, the electric steps are a problem just waiting to happen, especially if you live in areas that get snow and ice. The idea is great, and when folded up, they look clean. Until they quit working. I’ll take a hard mounted rock slider with a step integrated. I’ve got a set of Ram Rock Rails with the step on my TRX. I just wish the step stuck out a pinch more.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Would agree. Had a Bronco briefly and I would say part of the Broncos success (though the quality failed us and we dumped it) was the IFS because compared to the ride quality in a Wrangler -it was night and day. Again, majority of buyers are never doing hard core off roading and the Squatch package was enough to make 95% of buyers happy. I’d LR didn’t have constant electrical/tech gremlins they may have had a stronger fight as well. Ineos was a specific vehicle build and not really user friendly as a daily driver for majority of SUV drivers. While it certainly is hardcore the sales show it isn’t going to be hugely successful beyond the serious off roading segment. From day one if has felt like this would be the EV version of the new competitor between Bronco and Wrangler. Sure you can throw Toyota in the mix and LR but neither has the same cult following as the Scouts so it will be interesting to see how successful the final vehicles will end up being

I’m between a Bronco and the Scout Traveler with the Harvester package right now. The Wrangler is cool, but at 6’8” I simply don’t fit in them. The Bronco was the great Jeep compromise because it gave the 90% who thought they wanted the Jeep life but really didn’t a good option.

 

[cyure]

I like the winch idea. However, the electric steps are a problem just waiting to happen, especially if you live in areas that get snow and ice. The idea is great, and when folded up, they look clean. Until they quit working. I’ll take a hard mounted rock slider with a step integrated. I’ve got a set of Ram Rock Rails with the step on my TRX. I just wish the step stuck out a pinch more.

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Totally agree

 

[cyure]

I’m between a Bronco and the Scout Traveler with the Harvester package right now. The Wrangler is cool, but at 6’8” I simply don’t fit in them. The Bronco was the great Jeep compromise because it gave the 90% who thought they wanted the Jeep life but really didn’t a good option.

You are considering a Bronco? All I know is the one Ford I had perfectly exemplified FORD (found on road dead). You couldn’t give me one for free.

 

[dreamweaver]

I like the winch idea. However, the electric steps are a problem just waiting to happen, especially if you live in areas that get snow and ice. The idea is great, and when folded up, they look clean. Until they quit working. I’ll take a hard mounted rock slider with a step integrated. I’ve got a set of Ram Rock Rails with the step on my TRX. I just wish the step stuck out a pinch more.

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I had a Navigator back when I lived in a snowy state and I really got tired fixing those those power steps, and so was the dealer.

 

[cyure]

I had a Navigator back when I lived in a snowy state and I really got tired fixing those those power steps, and so was the dealer.

I didn’t want them because I didn’t like the way they look and now knowing this I really don’t want them.

 

[ChrisP]

Ahh, now we are talking quality! Well, in terms of long term reliability, Toyota is probably still hard to beat.
Take our 2000 LC 100 - see picture below from Death Valley:
We bought it in 2007 with 100,000 miles and fast forward 18 years and another 170,000 miles and it is still going strong with the original engine and transmission. The only complaint I have is the atrocious gas mileage of the 4.7L V8 at about 12 mpg with the 33" Offroad tires. The rest of the world fared a little better since they also had the 4.2L inline 6 turbodiesel option.

I hope the Scout Traveler will make for a worthy replacement family overland travel vehicle. The EV setup should be quite reliable, and the two row bench option for 6 occupants is great to haul people on short trips!

 

[J Alynn]

You are considering a Bronco? All I know is the one Ford I had perfectly exemplified FORD (found on road dead). You couldn’t give me one for free.

The all the issues we had in less than 1-/12 years (and it was only a pavement princess) with a few pasture travels I do t know if I could ever do another ford. Loved the Bronco and miss it every day but only way I’d consider is now I could have it as a third vehicle. My dad worked under Ford for quite a few years and always told me n”never buy a ford” other than a pick up and even then buy a Toyota

 

[ChrisP]

The all the issues we had in less than 1-/12 years (and it was only a pavement princess) with a few pasture travels I do t know if I could ever do another ford. Loved the Bronco and miss it every day but only way I’d consider is now I could have it as a third vehicle. My dad worked under Ford for quite a few years and always told me n”never buy a ford” other than a pick up and even then buy a Toyota

My only Ford experience has been with their full-size HD 4x4 Diesel Pickups and they have been decent after a few well known upgrades.

 

[cyure]

My only Ford experience has been with their full-size HD 4x4 Diesel Pickups and they have been decent after a few well known upgrades.

I always hear that the trucks are great.

 

[cyure]

The all the issues we had in less than 1-/12 years (and it was only a pavement princess) with a few pasture travels I do t know if I could ever do another ford. Loved the Bronco and miss it every day but only way I’d consider is now I could have it as a third vehicle. My dad worked under Ford for quite a few years and always told me n”never buy a ford” other than a pick up and even then buy a Toyota

Ours was an Escort GT. Jumping timing belt. Once while I was on my lunch hour it died and I had to coast down a hill and into a parking lot. And it got worse from there. Never again.

 

[ChrisP]

Ours was an Escort GT. Jumping timing belt. Once while I was on my lunch hour it died and I had to coast down a hill and into a parking lot. And it got worse from there. Never again.

And one more piece of advice:
Stay away from any diesel engines with emission control systems. My newest truck which I still own is a 2002!

 

[MasterSpam]

I like the winch idea. However, the electric steps are a problem just waiting to happen, especially if you live in areas that get snow and ice. The idea is great, and when folded up, they look clean. Until they quit working. I’ll take a hard mounted rock slider with a step integrated. I’ve got a set of Ram Rock Rails with the step on my TRX. I just wish the step stuck out a pinch more.

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Agreed. I don't want electric steps. Good rockrails with a flat step on top is simple and foolproof

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

You are considering a Bronco? All I know is the one Ford I had perfectly exemplified FORD (found on road dead). You couldn’t give me one for free.

I had a Raptor before the TRX. If used prices hadn’t gone stupid in 2021 I’d still have it (I got $4,000 more than I paid for it). I liked the Raptor, it was a nice truck. I’m sure if you look, every brand has horror stories (my TRX hasn’t been perfect but I really like it). It’s just a matter of personal experiences.

 

[cyure]

I had a Raptor before the TRX. If used prices hadn’t gone stupid in 2021 I’d still have it (I got $4,000 more than I paid for it). I liked the Raptor, it was a nice truck. I’m sure if you look, every brand has horror stories (my TRX hasn’t been perfect but I really like it). It’s just a matter of personal experiences.
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Pretty truck. I have always heard good things about Ford trucks.

 

[MasterSpam]

I had a Raptor before the TRX. If used prices hadn’t gone stupid in 2021 I’d still have it (I got $4,000 more than I paid for it). I liked the Raptor, it was a nice truck. I’m sure if you look, every brand has horror stories (my TRX hasn’t been perfect but I really like it). It’s just a matter of personal experiences.
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Same for my 2019 Ranger. I traded it in for my KIA PHEV and got only $600 less than I paid for it after 4 years and 13,000 miles!

 

[ChrisP]

BTW, fun fact:
The new Australia designed Ford Ranger Raptor (not the F150 which is designed in the US) uses a Watts Link to center the rear axle and avoid side motion at high off road speeds with substantial suspension flex. It works really well!

How The Ford Ranger Raptor’s ‘Watts Link’ Rear Suspension Works And Why It’s Not On Every Truck - The Autopian

Well, David Tracy has done it again! He’s written an awesome post about the new Ford Ranger Raptor but as usual, he used a lot of fancy words like Panhard Rod and Watts Linkage to describe the rear suspension. If your eyes glazed over because you had no idea what he was talking about, rest […]

www.theautopian.com

 

[MasterSpam]

Ahh, now we are talking quality! Well, in terms of long term reliability, Toyota is probably still hard to beat.
Take our 2000 LC 100 - see picture below from Death Valley:
We bought it in 2007 with 100,000 miles and fast forward 18 years and another 170,000 miles and it is still going strong with the original engine and transmission. The only complaint I have is the atrocious gas mileage of the 4.7L V8 at about 12 mpg with the 33" Offroad tires. The rest of the world fared a little better since they also had the 4.2L inline 6 turbodiesel option.

I hope the Scout Traveler will make for a worthy replacement family overland travel vehicle. The EV setup should be quite reliable, and the two row bench option for 6 occupants is great to haul people on short trips!

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I had 290,000 on my 1976 Hilux (the one with the rectangular turn signals on the hood) before I sold it to my brother for $500 and he put another 80,000 before someone T-boned him. I rebuilt the motor once and my brother once more but that thing was a (small) tank.