Scout Traveler SUV Green Off-Road Concept

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

Hi Jamie, I know we’re 2 years out, but when do you think there’ll be a list of options for these chariots? And is there potential that the ranges will change as technology progresses in that same time? Or is everything set in stone?

Subject to change. options and trim packages won’t be announced till roughly late 2026. And as technology evolves we will adjust.

 

[SeaGeo]

Subject to change. options and trim packages won’t be announced till roughly late 2026. And as technology evolves we will adjust.

Man I hope so. The pack capacity for the pure EV that Scott mentioned was quite a disappointment to me.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

350 miles of range?

 

[J Alynn]

Man I hope so. The pack capacity for the pure EV that Scott mentioned was quite a disappointment to me.

How much are you expecting for a big box on wheels at a starting price under $60K. I think that is awesome and equivalent to the majority of ICE vehicles of equivalent shape-probably better than most actually. For heaven’s sake?

 

[cyure]

How much are you expecting for a big box on wheels at a starting price under $60K. I think that is awesome and equivalent to the majority of ICE vehicles of equivalent shape-probably better than most actually. For heaven’s sake?

Correct me if I am wrong here, but the more range means a bigger battery, which makes the cost go up. For example a Lucid has crazy range but they are also $120k or more.

 

[J Alynn]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but the more range means a bigger battery, which makes the cost go up. For example a Lucid has crazy range but they are also $120k or more.

I guess some people don’t mind spending $100k on a vehicle. I suspect if the Scout were announced as $100k tomorrow most of this forum group would dismiss the forum in a heartbeat. EV or not and function aside, if I’m gonna spend $200K I can list at least 7 new cars I’d pick before the Scouts only because IF my financial advisor (wife) said go spend $100K (first I’d make sure it was really her ) then my line up of sports cars would be developed very quickly and I’d be wasting a number of weekends deciding which one to buy. But hey-that’s just me-kudos to our forum members who can afford and justify spending $100K on a vehicle.

 

[cyure]

I guess some people don’t mind spending $100k on a vehicle. I suspect if the Scout were announced as $100k tomorrow most of this forum group would dismiss the forum in a heartbeat. EV or not and function aside, if I’m gonna spend $200K I can list at least 7 new cars I’d pick before the Scouts only because IF my financial advisor (wife) said go spend $100K (first I’d make sure it was really her ) then my line up of sports cars would be developed very quickly and I’d be wasting a number of weekends deciding which one to buy. But hey-that’s just me-kudos to our forum members who can afford and justify spending $100K on a vehicle.

When I was watching the reveal and they showed the vehicles I was fully prepared for them to say $80 to $100. When they said $60, done, got my wallet and ran to my computer to put in my reservation. This price range opens the Scout up to so many more buyers. If they want to be a vehicle for everyone it has to start with price because if people can’t afford it it doesn’t matter how amazing it is.

 

[SeaGeo]

350 miles of range?

"EPA rated" rated range, particularly when done with a 5 cycle test, isn't really what most people think of when they think of range unfortunately.

If Scout is able to pull 350 miles of range going 70+ on the 35" KO3's somehow with 120kwh battery, that will be surprising to me.

That pack size is less than what my Gen1 large pack R1T has, as well as my max pack. Just visually speaking I would be surprised if either Scout is more efficient than either the R1S or R1T.

My hunch is that we will see something closer to 250 miles at highway speeds with a 120kwh battery.

Just a guess obviously. I was just hoping for a bigger battery to give that 350 miles s better chance at being a "real" 350 miles with the configs people seen to be excited about.

 

[Chavannigans]

Man I hope so. The pack capacity for the pure EV that Scott mentioned was quite a disappointment to me.

I have seen some people get those numbers mixed up.

EREV
150 miles pure electric range.
350 miles of range with Harvester Generator’s 15 Gal fuel tank.
LFP Capacity 70-80 kWh

BEV
350 miles pure electric range.
NMC Capacity 120-130 kWh

Both will have an 800v architecture which should also mean fast charging speeds.

Let’s compare that with Rivians battery capacities.

Here are Rivian’s available battery pack sizes for the R1T and R1S (2024–2025 models):





Standard Pack

• Usable capacity:
  
  • Gen‑2 models (LFP): ~ 92.5 kWh
  • Earlier Gen‑1 versions (NMC): ~ 106 kWh
• EPA/range: ~270 miles

Standard+ Pack

• Usable capacity: ~ 121 kWh
• Range: ~315 miles (EPA estimate)

Large Pack

• Usable capacity:
  
  • Gen‑2: ~ 109.4 kWh
  • Gen‑1: ~ 135 kWh
• Range: ~330–352 miles, depending on generation and configuration

Max Pack

• Usable capacity: ~ 141.5 kWh (Car & Driver says 142.3 kWh gross → ~142.3–149 kWh)
• Range: ~400 miles (R1S) / ~420 miles (R1T)

Battery Sizes & EPA Range Estimates

Manufacturer​	Pack​	Usable Capacity (kWh)​	Range (EPA / projected)​
Rivian	Standard	~92.5 kWh (Gen 2 LFP)	~270 mi
Rivian	Standard+	~121 kWh	~315 mi
Rivian	Large	~109–135 kWh (Gen 1/2)	~330–352 mi
Rivian	Max	~141–149 kWh	~400 mi (R1S) / ~420 mi (R1T)
Scout	Pure BEV	120–130 kWh	~350 mi
Scout	Harvester EREV	60–70 kWh (battery only)	150 mi (electric only)

 

[Chavannigans]

"EPA rated" rated range, particularly when done with a 5 cycle test, isn't really what most people think of when they think of range unfortunately.

If Scout is able to pull 350 miles of range going 70+ on the 35" KO3's somehow with 120kwh battery, that will be surprising to me.

That pack size is less than what my Gen1 large pack R1T has, as well as my max pack. Just visually speaking I would be surprised if either Scout is more efficient than either the R1S or R1T.

My hunch is that we will see something closer to 250 miles at highway speeds with a 120kwh battery.

Just a guess obviously.

I don’t think they said 350 miles of range with 35”s.

Obviously tire diameter, roof racks, ride height, tire pressure, and many other factors come into play.

Even Rivian changes range on their website if you go with the all terrains instead of the highway tires.

They are probably basing that estimate on a base model with road biased 33” tires.

The GX550 Overtrail and LX700h Overtrail have factory 33” tires and usually get less than 300 miles of range in real world driving.

It will be interesting to see what Scouts range will be with various options as we get closer to launch.

 

[SeaGeo]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but the more range means a bigger battery, which makes the cost go up. For example a Lucid has crazy range but they are also $120k or more.

The gravity is a luxury SUV. The relative cost of that vehicle is not due to the pack size.

Alternatively an extended range Silverado is 75k with something like a 190kwh pack.

 

[cyure]

Unfortunately, this is another one of those things we just have to have patience for. I keep saying they haven’t let me down yet and I have faith in SM. I just keep thinking positive thoughts and each time they release something it exceeds my expectations.

 

[J Alynn]

I don’t think they said 350 miles of range with 35”s.

Obviously tire diameter, roof racks, ride height, tire pressure, and many other factors come into play.

Even Rivian changes range on their website if you go with the all terrains instead of the highway tires.

They are probably basing that estimate on a base model with road biased 33” tires.

The GX550 Overtrail and LX700h Overtrail have factory 33” tires and usually get less than 300 miles of range in real world driving.

It will be interesting to see what Scouts range will be with various options as we get closer to launch.

Exactly. 35’s will not be standard. What is shown as the prototype will certainly not be the base model.

 

[J Alynn]

The gravity is a luxury SUV. The relative cost of that vehicle is not due to the pack size.

Alternatively an extended range Silverado is 75k with something like a 190kwh pack.

$75K to start and till you add features I bet average Silverado is pushing $90K. Majority of driving doesn’t require massive range and if extended travel is a very regular occurrence then people need to accept charging time, go with harvester or stick with an ICE. I don’t want to pay $75K + extras for my scout to have an extra 50-60 miles range for the couple times a year I would need it solely for convenience. And one could argue Rivians are luxury EVs as well. Average new vehicle cost is approx. $48K and Rivian is nearly double so if Scouts can stay at pricing they are suggesting I think the mileage is a perfect range

 

[Chavannigans]

I mentioned it earlier but the 800v architecture should also be a consideration.

If you are charging more often because you select large tires with higher rolling resistance it may balance out when you have faster charging speeds compared to Rivian’s 400v architecture.

Theoretically the Rivian may charge 10%-80% in 42 minutes, while the Scout may be able to charge 10%-80% in 20 to 25 minutes.

You may just end up spending close to the same amount of time charging as you would with an R1S on the same trip despite having to make more stops with less efficiency.

Someone here recently posted a heat map for EV chargers in the US and even with 250 miles of range you’ll still be covered to drive just about anywhere in the country.

So I guess my question is, what specifically about not using a massive battery is most concerning to you?

Edit: I asked Chat GPT how a Scout BEV with 300 miles of range would compare to a Rivian with 400 miles of range on a 1,500 mile road trip.


Let’s break this down step by step for a 1,500-mile road trip, comparing:

• Scout BEV: 800V architecture, 300 miles of real-world range, 350 kW charging, ~22–25 min 10–80%.
• Rivian R1S: 400V architecture, 400 miles of real-world range, 220 kW peak charging, ~40–45 min 10–80%.

We’ll assume:

• Average consumption stays constant.
• You don’t charge to 100%—only ~10–80%, which is typical for road trips.
• Charging stops are spaced to maximize range per leg without bottoming out.

Trip Plan & Charging Stops



Scout BEV (300 mi range):

• Needs ~5 charging legs: 1,500 ÷ 300 = 5 legs → 4 charging stops
• Each stop takes ~23 minutes → 4 × 23 = 92 minutes charging

Rivian R1S (400 mi range):

• Needs ~4 charging legs: 1,500 ÷ 400 ≈ 3.75 → 3 charging stops
• Each stop takes ~42 minutes → 3 × 42 = 126 minutes charging

Summary Table

Vehicle​	Range​	# of Stops​	Time per Stop​	Total Charging Time​
Scout BEV	300 mi	4	~23 min	~92 min
Rivian R1S	400 mi	3	~42 min	~126 min

Conclusion


Despite having 100 miles less range, the Scout would likely spend ~30–35 minutes less total time charging over a 1,500-mile trip, thanks to:

• Faster 800V charging speeds
• Shorter time per stop
• Quicker taper recovery

Bottom line: On long trips, charging speed can outweigh range, and in this case, the Scout charges faster overall despite needing more stops.

Would you like me to model this with variable stop durations or factors like elevation, AC use, or tire size losses?

 

[SeaGeo]

I don’t think they said 350 miles of range with 35”s.

Obviously tire diameter, roof racks, ride height, tire pressure, and many other factors come into play.

Even Rivian changes range on their website if you go with the all terrains instead of the highway tires.

They are probably basing that estimate on a base model with road biased 33” tires.

The GX550 Overtrail and LX700h Overtrail have factory 33” tires and usually get less than 300 miles of range in real world driving.

It will be interesting to see what Scouts range will be with various options as we get closer to launch.

Right. So when Scout says 350 miles, my hunch is that it's with a smaller all season. And even then I'm a little dubious given the size of the Scout vehicles and being (I suspect) less aerodynamic than a Rivian. Let's take my "370 mile range" Gen2 max pack R1S which has the ATs. I can squeak about 340 miles out of it on a good day going 70 on flat ground. That's with 143kwh available.

Scout saying 350 miles with a smaller battery than the Gen1 Rivian large pack or Gen2 max is just an indicator that the real world range especially with ATs is going to be a bit of a let down IMO. Maybe not though!

 

[SeaGeo]

I mentioned it earlier but the 800v architecture should also be a consideration.

If you are charging more often because you select large tires with higher rolling resistance it may balance out when you have faster charging speeds compared to Rivian’s 400v architecture.

Theoretically the Rivian may charge 10%-80% in 42 minutes, while the Scout may be able to charge 10%-80% in 20 to 25 minutes.

You may just end up spending close to the same amount of time charging as you would with an R1S on the same trip despite having to make more stops with less efficiency.

Someone here recently posted a heat map for EV chargers in the US and even with 250 miles of range you’ll still be covered to drive just about anywhere in the country.

So I guess my question is, what specifically about not using a massive battery is most concerning to you?

Edit: I asked Chat GPT how a Scout BEV with 300 miles of range would compare to a Rivian with 400 miles of range on a 1,500 mile road trip.


Let’s break this down step by step for a 1,500-mile road trip, comparing:

• Scout BEV: 800V architecture, 300 miles of real-world range, 350 kW charging, ~22–25 min 10–80%.
• Rivian R1S: 400V architecture, 400 miles of real-world range, 220 kW peak charging, ~40–45 min 10–80%.

We’ll assume:

• Average consumption stays constant.
• You don’t charge to 100%—only ~10–80%, which is typical for road trips.
• Charging stops are spaced to maximize range per leg without bottoming out.

Trip Plan & Charging Stops



Scout BEV (300 mi range):

• Needs ~5 charging legs: 1,500 ÷ 300 = 5 legs → 4 charging stops
• Each stop takes ~23 minutes → 4 × 23 = 92 minutes charging

Rivian R1S (400 mi range):

• Needs ~4 charging legs: 1,500 ÷ 400 ≈ 3.75 → 3 charging stops
• Each stop takes ~42 minutes → 3 × 42 = 126 minutes charging

Summary Table

Vehicle​	Range​	# of Stops​	Time per Stop​	Total Charging Time​
Scout BEV	300 mi	4	~23 min	~92 min
Rivian R1S	400 mi	3	~42 min	~126 min

Conclusion


Despite having 100 miles less range, the Scout would likely spend ~30–35 minutes less total time charging over a 1,500-mile trip, thanks to:

• Faster 800V charging speeds
• Shorter time per stop
• Quicker taper recovery

Bottom line: On long trips, charging speed can outweigh range, and in this case, the Scout charges faster overall despite needing more stops.

Would you like me to model this with variable stop durations or factors like elevation, AC use, or tire size losses?

I'm currently on a road trip through Montana with a max pack R1S. We are going to have to charge to 90% to get from Billings to Gillette to arrive with 5%. In the winter or when we head back and go into the wind (or winter+wind) that leg would require relying on a single plug 50kw charger in Sheridan with no backup.

At the end of the day, I personally tend to land in the camp that EVs in this general category need about 400+ miles of EPA rated range assuming they are being tested under the 5-cycle test, because in reality a "370 mile" EV is more like a 280 mile EV in good weather on many interstates. I struggle to go the 280 miles from western WA to Spokane without charging with our R1S, and it's not possible in the winter. Rangeis obviously much less anywhere that has an 80mph+ speed limit.

Faster charging is great, and needed for big EVs.

Just because Scout is 800v doesn't mean it will do 10-80 in 20ish minutes FWIW. That will depend on the cooling system and the cells they select.

Fingers crossed Scout kicks it out of the park with faster charging speeds with a great charging curve and they pull a Porsche and over deliver on real world range compared to their rated range.

Do I want to go to the hybrid? Not at all. Could I live with a 120kwh battery that really probably ends up with <250 miles of range? Sure. Do I want to come 2027? No.

 

[Chavannigans]

I'm currently on a road trip through Montana with a max pack R1S. We are going to have to charge to 90% to get from Billings to Gillette to arrive with 5%. In the winter or when we head back and go into the wind (or winter+wind) that leg would require relying on a single plug 50kw charger in Sheridan with no backup.

At the end of the day, I personally tend to land in the camp that EVs in this general category need about 400+ miles of EPA rated range assuming they are being tested under the 5-cycle test, because in reality a "370 mile" EV is more like a 280 mile EV in good weather on many interstates. I struggle to go the 280 miles from western WA to Spokane without charging with our R1S, and it's not possible in the winter. Rangeis obviously much less anywhere that has an 80mph+ speed limit.

Faster charging is great, and needed for big EVs.

Just because Scout is 800v doesn't mean it will do 10-80 in 20ish minutes FWIW. That will depend on the cooling system and the cells they select.

Fingers crossed Scout kicks it out of the park with faster charging speeds with a great charging curve and they pull a Porsche and over deliver on real world range compared to their rated range.

Do I want to go to the hybrid? Not at all. Could I live with a 120kwh battery that really probably ends up with <250 miles of range? Sure. Do I want to come 2027? No.

Hmmm... Maybe the Scout just isnt for you if youre driving to remote locations like that, and you should just stick to the Rivian if the EREV isnt something you want to deal with.

 

[dreamweaver]

I'm currently on a road trip through Montana with a max pack R1S. We are going to have to charge to 90% to get from Billings to Gillette to arrive with 5%. In the winter or when we head back and go into the wind (or winter+wind) that leg would require relying on a single plug 50kw charger in Sheridan with no backup.

At the end of the day, I personally tend to land in the camp that EVs in this general category need about 400+ miles of EPA rated range assuming they are being tested under the 5-cycle test, because in reality a "370 mile" EV is more like a 280 mile EV in good weather on many interstates. I struggle to go the 280 miles from western WA to Spokane without charging with our R1S, and it's not possible in the winter. Rangeis obviously much less anywhere that has an 80mph+ speed limit.

Faster charging is great, and needed for big EVs.

Just because Scout is 800v doesn't mean it will do 10-80 in 20ish minutes FWIW. That will depend on the cooling system and the cells they select.

Fingers crossed Scout kicks it out of the park with faster charging speeds with a great charging curve and they pull a Porsche and over deliver on real world range compared to their rated range.

Do I want to go to the hybrid? Not at all. Could I live with a 120kwh battery that really probably ends up with <250 miles of range? Sure. Do I want to come 2027? No.

You said: "Fingers crossed Scout kicks it out of the park with faster charging speeds with a great charging curve and they pull a Porsche and over deliver on real world range compared to their rated range."

That' the spirit.

They’ve been amazing so far, and I have a feeling they’re going to blow us away!

 

[Chavannigans]

Post in thread 'New Battery By 24M Technologies'

Jun 21, 2025

Battery capacity specs haven't been finalized. With the shorter wheelbase, the Traveler is more limited in terms of volume available. That said, it will come down to a number of factors (density, chemistry, packaging, etc., etc.). The Terra has room to offer more, but like most manufacturers, we wrestle with how much battery we throw at this thing while trying to balance cost and weight. Merely throwing more battery at it isn't always the best solution. Let's see how things go between now and launch.

Oh, and our drag coefficient numbers are better than anyone expected. Tires have a big...

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This is what we have as an official answer from Scout.