Scout concepts on Jay Leno’s Garage

[Dana]

The tow capacity with the Harvester is wildly disappointing to me. I was hoping to be able to use the Terra like a truck. I have a boat and a light duty tractor I haul around. If the 5,000 lbs tow capacity with the Harvester is accurate then there is absolutely no way this vehicle is going to work for me. I hope we get more clarification on it soon. But if this is correct I will sadly have to cancel my reservation.

Isn’t Terra guesstimated at 7K though? I think it’s Traveler that’s at 5.

This is all also two years away. I am a little concerned though that folks are excited right now because all things seem possible and each person has their dream configuration…but it’s not feasible for the Scouts to be all things to all people- over featured for some, under featured for others, too off-road for some and not enough for others. I’d be happy with a 2K tow capacity and a 600 mile pure electric drivetrain. Harvester adds maintenance and complexity and only having 150m of electric range increases overall energy costs and reduces value proposition. I’m very used to having 400 mile pure electric range and an energy cost of about two cents a mile…going backwards to 350 pure electric range is the wrong direction…I pretty frequently use my 400 electric range (everyone likes to talk about average driver only driving 30-40 miles a day but I’m wondering if this crowd leans towards longer weekend trips or use cases than a sedan crowd does). So Harvester is my only option if I want a Scout and other potential benefits of the Scout over what I have now. At least for now it looks like 600m pure electric range isn’t on the table,lol, and I’ve decided I’m willing to give up aspects of my dream configuration to gain other desired characteristics. Of course I hope in the next two years that the pure electric range range increases. But I had canceled my cybertruck reservation because, well, Musk has become a lunatic, but also that it’s just not what I’d hoped for.

I’m wondering though if it’s possible to reduce the weight of your trailer…in any event helps with range…exchanging wood or steel with aluminum, etc? I hope things end up in your “It works” column! Scott K comes across to me as being a more realistic and experienced CEO than what I’m used to. So that’s going in our favor over what some of us are used to but I’d urge patience…waiting for a pre production vehicle is hard.

 

[CP1@scoutmotors]

In regards to Leno..... He drove a Tesla into his place that morning. He is not against EV's and keeps an open mind to all vehicle technology.

His collection is lacking trucks. Didn't see the Cyclone when I was there but doesn't mean he doesn't have a collection of trucks. Majority I observed were cars and motorcycles.

He is by far the most famous celebrity I met, and I would say he was super down to earth. Car guy through and through. Sat down with at lunch and just talked shop. Great guy all around.

In regards to towing with 1/2 ton trucks.....

1/2 ton trucks now a days are not built with towing in mind, let's be honest. They are built with suspensions that are cushy and appeal to the daily pavement pounder that wants a truck. Not that they can't tow a small boat, 2 place snowmobile trailer, or small utility trailer. But if you are getting up towards a 10K camper or trailer you should be looking at a 3/4 ton. Safer for one.

Hence the reason I drive a Cummins.

Numbers are not final for us. Let's wait and see.

 

[J Alynn]

In regards to Leno..... He drove a Tesla into his place that morning. He is not against EV's and keeps an open mind to all vehicle technology.

His collection is lacking trucks. Didn't see the Cyclone when I was there but doesn't mean he doesn't have a collection of trucks. Majority I observed were cars and motorcycles.

He is by far the most famous celebrity I met, and I would say he was super down to earth. Car guy through and through. Sat down with at lunch and just talked shop. Great guy all around.

In regards to towing with 1/2 ton trucks.....

1/2 ton trucks now a days are not built with towing in mind, let's be honest. They are built with suspensions that are cushy and appeal to the daily pavement pounder that wants a truck. Not that they can't tow a small boat, 2 place snowmobile trailer, or small utility trailer. But if you are getting up towards a 10K camper or trailer you should be looking at a 3/4 ton. Safer for one.

Hence the reason I drive a Cummins.

Numbers are not final for us. Let's wait and see.

@CP1@scoutmotors thanks for joining in our conversations and shedding light on topics from your point of view. Good to hear/read other SM thoughts and knowledge of the vehicles

 

[dreamweaver]

In regards to Leno..... He drove a Tesla into his place that morning. He is not against EV's and keeps an open mind to all vehicle technology.

His collection is lacking trucks. Didn't see the Cyclone when I was there but doesn't mean he doesn't have a collection of trucks. Majority I observed were cars and motorcycles.

He is by far the most famous celebrity I met, and I would say he was super down to earth. Car guy through and through. Sat down with at lunch and just talked shop. Great guy all around.

In regards to towing with 1/2 ton trucks.....

1/2 ton trucks now a days are not built with towing in mind, let's be honest. They are built with suspensions that are cushy and appeal to the daily pavement pounder that wants a truck. Not that they can't tow a small boat, 2 place snowmobile trailer, or small utility trailer. But if you are getting up towards a 10K camper or trailer you should be looking at a 3/4 ton. Safer for one.

Hence the reason I drive a Cummins.

Numbers are not final for us. Let's wait and see.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

 

[Horsefarmer]

A properly equipped 1/2 ton diesel truck equipped with the towing package (additional cooling capacity, upgraded shocks, brakes and rear differential) will give you the capacity to tow up to 10,000lbs. Just be sure to follow the manufacturer’s guidelines. We tow a 16ft steel horse trailer with 2 1,200lbs horses without any issues.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Isn’t Terra guesstimated at 7K though? I think it’s Traveler that’s at 5.

This is all also two years away. I am a little concerned though that folks are excited right now because all things seem possible and each person has their dream configuration…but it’s not feasible for the Scouts to be all things to all people- over featured for some, under featured for others, too off-road for some and not enough for others. I’d be happy with a 2K tow capacity and a 600 mile pure electric drivetrain. Harvester adds maintenance and complexity and only having 150m of electric range increases overall energy costs and reduces value proposition. I’m very used to having 400 mile pure electric range and an energy cost of about two cents a mile…going backwards to 350 pure electric range is the wrong direction…I pretty frequently use my 400 electric range (everyone likes to talk about average driver only driving 30-40 miles a day but I’m wondering if this crowd leans towards longer weekend trips or use cases than a sedan crowd does). So Harvester is my only option if I want a Scout and other potential benefits of the Scout over what I have now. At least for now it looks like 600m pure electric range isn’t on the table,lol, and I’ve decided I’m willing to give up aspects of my dream configuration to gain other desired characteristics. Of course I hope in the next two years that the pure electric range range increases. But I had canceled my cybertruck reservation because, well, Musk has become a lunatic, but also that it’s just not what I’d hoped for.

I’m wondering though if it’s possible to reduce the weight of your trailer…in any event helps with range…exchanging wood or steel with aluminum, etc? I hope things end up in your “It works” column! Scott K comes across to me as being a more realistic and experienced CEO than what I’m used to. So that’s going in our favor over what some of us are used to but I’d urge patience…waiting for a pre production vehicle is hard.

I believe most folks interpreted from the Leno video that the 5k towing capacity is for both Traveller and Terra. My guess is SM will be over 400 by launch.

 

[Scoutsie]

In regards to Leno..... He drove a Tesla into his place that morning. He is not against EV's and keeps an open mind to all vehicle technology.

His collection is lacking trucks. Didn't see the Cyclone when I was there but doesn't mean he doesn't have a collection of trucks. Majority I observed were cars and motorcycles.

He is by far the most famous celebrity I met, and I would say he was super down to earth. Car guy through and through. Sat down with at lunch and just talked shop. Great guy all around.

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My apologies. ? I’ll keep such opinions to myself.

 

[Dana]

A properly equipped 1/2 ton diesel truck equipped with the towing package (additional cooling capacity, upgraded shocks, brakes and rear differential) will give you the capacity to tow up to 10,000lbs. Just be sure to follow the manufacturer’s guidelines. We tow a 16ft steel horse trailer with 2 1,200lbs horses without any issues.

Diesels typically have lower horsepower, higher torque ratings than gas…better for towing. I wouldn’t think a half ton gas truck would have same capability as a diesel counterpart.

 

[THil08]

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My apologies. ? I’ll keep such opinions to myself.

I guess everyone is gonna ignore the fact that he listened in on meeting about the guy that was retiring from the late night show. So that he could take over their spot.

Other than that he’s a pretty chill guy.

 

[dreamweaver]

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My apologies. ? I’ll keep such opinions to myself.

Please don't change. This is what makes the community interesting.

 

[Scoutsie]

I guess everyone is gonna ignore the fact that he listened in on meeting about the guy that was retiring from the late night show. So that he could take over their spot.

Other than that he’s a pretty chill guy.

Please don't change. This is what makes the community interesting.

Well, you gotta know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em. I didn’t, uh, really think about the consequences of dropping a verbal deuce on Mr. Leno. Nope. No, I did not. Goodbye for the rest of this thread! You can find me in another thread where I am less embarrassed about having shamed myself and my parents in front of a company employee. ??

 

[BBroecker]

Diesels typically have lower horsepower, higher torque ratings than gas…better for towing. I wouldn’t think a half ton gas truck would have same capability as a diesel counterpart.

For most vehicles that offer both gas and diesel, the tow ratings are frequently remarkably similar. This is because other chassis factors matter much more to the rating than the actual powerplant, like brakes, axle load ratings, suspension ratings, and etc. Having said that, the diesel in my Grand Cherokee gives me peace of mind when towing because I know that torque will get me out of a jam that a gas powerplant might not overcome. And that's why my next tow vehicle will be Range Extended electric. I've been waiting since the advent of modern electric vehicles for someone to produce a proper Series Hybrid and suddenly I've got multiple options coming onto the market. I want to go Scout very badly, so please come through on the towing. I need at least 7500 pounds, and 8500 would be a nice bump, or I'll have to stay in the Stellantis family.

 

[CP1@scoutmotors]

Well, you gotta know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em. I didn’t, uh, really think about the consequences of dropping a verbal deuce on Mr. Leno. Nope. No, I did not. Goodbye for the rest of this thread! You can find me in another thread where I am less embarrassed about having shamed myself and my parents in front of a company employee. ??

Scoutsie..... Don't leave.... It's good dialogue.

I'm waiting to get beat up on my 1/2 ton towing comments. I've seen some come through. Not too bad yet.

 

[THil08]

In regards to towing with 1/2 ton trucks.....

1/2 ton trucks now a days are not built with towing in mind, let's be honest. They are built with suspensions that are cushy and appeal to the daily pavement pounder that wants a truck. Not that they can't tow a small boat, 2 place snowmobile trailer, or small utility trailer. But if you are getting up towards a 10K camper or trailer you should be looking at a 3/4 ton. Safer for one.

Hence the reason I drive a Cummins.

Numbers are not final for us. Let's wait and see.

You couldn't be more right about 1/2ton trucks and how they are built. Can't wait to see final numbers!

 

[Scoutsie]

Scoutsie..... Don't leave.... It's good dialogue.

I'm waiting to get beat up on my 1/2 ton towing comments. I've seen some come through. Not too bad yet.

Thank you! I’ve got a little humility left, but you know, as one does who is reminded that the person they besmirched is a real human being beyond the third-hand stories of how they emerged as the victor of the late-night wars... ? And it wasn’t like “I am dramatically done forever, and a good day to you all,” just this one thread.

I do think those comments on the video were, by and large, hot and whiny BS. That much I stand by. I don’t think you guys deserved that. What’s unclear to me is whose voices those are: regular viewers who hate EVs or people who look for any reason to dump on EVs. It seems like real effort is being put into looking for reasons to dump on EVs and it’s sometimes hard to discern who is a terrible communicator with a real concern from SOMEHOW I EQUATE GAS WITH MASCULINITY. It’s a bewildering and wearying take.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Thank you! I’ve got a little humility left, but you know, as one does who is reminded that the person they besmirched is a real human being beyond the third-hand stories of how they emerged as the victor of the late-night wars... ? And it wasn’t like “I am dramatically done forever, and a good day to you all,” just this one thread.

I do think those comments on the video were, by and large, hot and whiny BS. That much I stand by. I don’t think you guys deserved that. What’s unclear to me is whose voices those are: regular viewers who hate EVs or people who look for any reason to dump on EVs. It seems like real effort is being put into looking for reasons to dump on EVs and it’s sometimes hard to discern who is a terrible communicator with a real concern from SOMEHOW I EQUATE GAS WITH MASCULINITY. It’s a bewildering and wearying take.

Don't want to ver off topic but the politicalization (if that's a word) of EVs just baffles me. They are for the most part American made through and through. It's a coolaid thing and I will leave it there.

 

[CP1@scoutmotors]

Thank you! I’ve got a little humility left, but you know, as one does who is reminded that the person they besmirched is a real human being beyond the third-hand stories of how they emerged as the victor of the late-night wars... ? And it wasn’t like “I am dramatically done forever, and a good day to you all,” just this one thread.

I do think those comments on the video were, by and large, hot and whiny BS. That much I stand by. I don’t think you guys deserved that. What’s unclear to me is whose voices those are: regular viewers who hate EVs or people who look for any reason to dump on EVs. It seems like real effort is being put into looking for reasons to dump on EVs and it’s sometimes hard to discern who is a terrible communicator with a real concern from SOMEHOW I EQUATE GAS WITH MASCULINITY. It’s a bewildering and wearying take.

Agree.

There are a lot of EV haters. To be honest before Scout i was not fond of them. I truly believe we are on to something here with the Harvester option. I like how we are trying to minimize the "Range anxiety"

In regards to the comments on YouTube. You are always going to have those type of folks that nit pic the vehicle in question. It took a lot to bite my tongue. I treat these 2 concepts like my babies. It's hard to read all the bashing. But I take it with a grain of salt. These vehicles have a purpose for us at Scout. And they are doing what they were intended to do. Get the discussion started and get everyone's input, good and bad.

 

[bb00799]

Agree.

There are a lot of EV haters. To be honest before Scout i was not fond of them. I truly believe we are on to something here with the Harvester option. I like how we are trying to minimize the "Range anxiety"

In regards to the comments on YouTube. You are always going to have those type of folks that nit pic the vehicle in question. It took a lot to bite my tongue. I treat these 2 concepts like my babies. It's hard to read all the bashing. But I take it with a grain of salt. These vehicles have a purpose for us at Scout. And they are doing what they were intended to do. Get the discussion started and get everyone's input, good and bad.

One of their unintended purposes is to also absolutely make me fall in love with the travelers interior and exterior color. I don't really know what other options there could be that could dissuade me from that (although give me the glass top)

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

I encourage all the first time considering an EV or EV haters that post "Harvester will have to tow my trailer or be gas and go " etc to download Plug Share. Check out were chargers are near you. Realize you can charge at level 2 at any rv campground. Then ask any friends you know who drive EVs how they manage to camp in thier EV truck while driving all over Montana. Have them plot out a trip where you would be going so you can see were the chargers are. Then pull out your crystal ball and add 20% more chargers that will be available in 2028. Then have faith that Scout total EV will have 400 + mile range (200+ towing 9,500 pound trailer). See your range anxiety is already waining by just reading my post.

 

[Badams]

Yes but that’s very argument most people have with ev’s. You don’t have to plan trips around where gas stations are now you just stop when you feel like it. I know I don’t want to be hindered. With having to stop here and there to charge or possibly going off the path to my destination. When I can just stop at one of 1000 gas stations I’ll pass on the road. That’s why range extenders basically have to happen. Before people that’s on the fence about making switch will give ev’s a chance. I’ve personally never owned one but have always seen the advantages. But the possible disadvantages have always held me back.