Please don't put the Harvester engine behind/below the rear axle

[MountainDad]

Granted, this is CarBuzz and so not the most reputable automobile industry rag, but this concerns me as a Harvester reservation holder who will *not* consider a full BEV:

This Is Our First Real look At Scout's Rear-Mount Range-Extender Engine

Scout's back-of-the-bus engine choice looks even stranger in these images, but we clearly see its Volkswagen heritage in action.

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Look, @Jamie@ScoutMotors - just dump the frunk on the EREV and put the generator in the front, where it belongs, for the love of all that's automotive. It will simplify servicing (including DIY), it will better balance the vehicle, and it will improve handling on- and off-road.

On the Traveler, you're already going to have a 75-100 lb full-sized spare tire plus swing arm hanging off the tailgate. Mounting an engine this low aft of the axle is going to make this vehicle a terrible climber and even worse road handler. Your EREV does not need a frunk, and if someone really wants one to act as a giant beach cooler or whatever, then get the BEV.

As it looks from this article - I won't be buying one.

 

[Scout_Lookout]

Granted, this is CarBuzz and so not the most reputable automobile industry rag, but this concerns me as a Harvester reservation holder who will *not* consider a full BEV:

This Is Our First Real look At Scout's Rear-Mount Range-Extender Engine

Scout's back-of-the-bus engine choice looks even stranger in these images, but we clearly see its Volkswagen heritage in action.

carbuzz.com

Look, @Jamie@ScoutMotors - just dump the frunk on the EREV and put the generator in the front, where it belongs, for the love of all that's automotive. It will simplify servicing (including DIY), it will better balance the vehicle, and it will improve handling on- and off-road.

On the Traveler, you're already going to have a 75-100 lb full-sized spare tire plus swing arm hanging off the tailgate. Mounting an engine this low aft of the axle is going to make this vehicle a terrible climber and even worse road handler. Your EREV does not need a frunk, and if someone really wants one to act as a giant beach cooler or whatever, then get the BEV.

As it looks from this article - I won't be buying one.

Oh I have a feeling this is going to be a spicy thread lol!

I will say that even though I'm full BEV I could see this as being a reasonable solution....to a point. The "solution" itself makes sense and honestly is simple practical way of solving what appears to be a difficult problem SM is facing. If you want a frunk got BEV, if you want harvester go EREV. However, it does make manufacturing quite a bit more complicated having to essentially build two "different" vehicles and increasing the number of parts that have to be provided from suppliers.

The EREV market is certainly an interesting one, and it'll be interesting what companies take which approach, as we've already seen from Ram they're literally just sticking their V6 under the hood, (meaning no frunk) stuffing a battery between the frame rails, and having an electric motor. Automakers are probably struggling with the dilemma of to frunk or not frunk, but ultimately I think in true American greed fashion, we want to have our cake and eat it too.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

@Jamie@ScoutMotors has already said the harvester will not be lower than the rear motor/dif.

Post in thread 'Extra, Extra....Read All About It!'

Tuesday at 5:11 PM

Ignore the words, focus on the patent images.

Patent images only need to be rough approximations in order not to give away certain things (I'm speaking in general terms). So I wouldn't take any of those drawings and try and overlay or assume anything.

That said, the differential hangs down lower than the engine does, so you don't need to worry about that part. Plus, we've provided protection all around the engine, plus there will be additional skid plates on some variations.

• Jamie@ScoutMotors

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[RodorW]

When I was interested in the Harvester, a lack of frunk would have been a deal breaker for me, my current BEV doesn’t have one, and that’s annoying enough, but I get past it for the price and size. I wouldn’t buy an electric full size truck without one at this point

 

[speedrye]

As the driver of an SUV with a 100-lb spare hanging off the rear and often with a few hundred pounds of cargo/equipment in the rear, I've got the suspension set up where the thing handles very well while not being harsh at all, so I'm confident Scout can do the same. For the departure angle, the Harvester isn't in the way of anything that wouldn't rip off the rear bumper, so I'm okay with the location. So long as the engine has a stout skid plate and protection from branches, etc poking up into the area damaging something, I don't have concerns. If I drop off a rock ledge offroad, I expect to be able to drop the Scout onto that engine skid plate without concerns, same as I do with my current under-body skid plates.

The space below the cargo area on my vehicle is pretty much completely empty, wasted space, so I'm happy Scout is putting this area to good use and allowing me more enclosed storage instead of empty unusable voids.

My only concern is the heavy E-axle, and how it affects handling, and that applies equally to the BEV.

 

[BeerParty]

Granted, this is CarBuzz and so not the most reputable automobile industry rag, but this concerns me as a Harvester reservation holder who will *not* consider a full BEV:

This Is Our First Real look At Scout's Rear-Mount Range-Extender Engine

Scout's back-of-the-bus engine choice looks even stranger in these images, but we clearly see its Volkswagen heritage in action.

carbuzz.com

Look, @Jamie@ScoutMotors - just dump the frunk on the EREV and put the generator in the front, where it belongs, for the love of all that's automotive. It will simplify servicing (including DIY), it will better balance the vehicle, and it will improve handling on- and off-road.

On the Traveler, you're already going to have a 75-100 lb full-sized spare tire plus swing arm hanging off the tailgate. Mounting an engine this low aft of the axle is going to make this vehicle a terrible climber and even worse road handler. Your EREV does not need a frunk, and if someone really wants one to act as a giant beach cooler or whatever, then get the BEV.

As it looks from this article - I won't be buying one.

Scout has already confirmed multiple times that the Harvester genset will be in the rear. If that is a deal breaker for you, you will need to look for another vehicle to meet your needs.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

Remember, the battery pack weighs more than the engine and generator. Since the Harvester has a smaller battery pack than the full BEV model, we move it forward to redistribute the weight. Lots of speculation out there.

 

[Scout_Lookout]

Remember, the battery pack weighs more than the engine and generator. Since the Harvester has a smaller battery pack than the full BEV model, we move it forward to redistribute the weight. Lots of speculation out there.

It's almost sounds like y'all might know what you're doing

 

[Scoutsie]

 

[Indy]

Remember, the battery pack weighs more than the engine and generator. Since the Harvester has a smaller battery pack than the full BEV model, we move it forward to redistribute the weight. Lots of speculation out there.

I remember you explaining this to me in Scottsdale during our conversation. It makes total sense. Thank you Jamie.