Analog Scout?

[jay.kolkman]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Probably wind up being 350k per unit.

Many things are popular in theory until the rubber meets the road.

 

[J Alynn]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

Sounds like you need to find $90K and have an old Scout restored. There is no point to produce this as a new product-if there was-the intelligent folks at SM and VWAG would have started that way in the first place since they understand vehicle sales and development and data better than any of us.
Legends 4x4 or similar can certainly produce a great analog Scout for you way less than a brand new manufacturer.

 

[OleScout]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

Welcome and thanks for joining today, this sounds like a bespoke build from New Legends 4x4. Browse around, and enjoy!

 

[eddiet1212]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

My grandfather & father were mechanics and I could see them echoing the same sentiment. Lol!!! Maybe there will be a "basic" Scout, but i assure you that the distributors, coil wires, drum brakes, and carburetors of the past are not returning. I think my dad just cursed me....

Holding onto the past might seem comfortable, but to truly progress in life one must accept change, as it is an inevitable aspect of existence. The only thing that stays the same is that everything changes....

 

[Chuckles]

I have a couple of analog suggestions.

 

[Scoutsie]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

Not that a hand-crafted bespoke small-batch artisanal hipster farm-to-table Scout wouldn’t be cool, it would just also be $500,000 and be very inefficient to build at scale. Doing it at the New Legends little guy build size is more sensible.

That said, I don’t think there’s any way to do what you’re suggesting without making it impervious to an EM disturbance unless it’s in a movie script. There are things that benefit from microcontrollers in a good way and you actually do want them working that way because it’s an improvement for the better. For safety things, like airbags: you want sensors and actuators. You want micro-electro-mechanical devices. Really, unless and your passengers are all super excited to donate organs: electronics aren’t really so bad. Why are you worried about them? You could make a Faraday cage inside your vehicle for vital systems if you’re really worried about interference. Cars (metal cars) kind of already are Faraday cages. ?‍ It just seems impractical to do more.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

I’ll be the first to admit I’d prefer a 700hp Supercharged Hellcat under the hood of the Scout, but I’m a little biased to that platform.

That said, I’m cautious optimistic and excited about the Harvester from Scout. You’re list is pretty interesting, but like others said, probably expensive and more of a restoration project.

 

[J Alynn]

I’ve often thought for the off road crown someone should license molded body panels like several companies do with the old Porsches. Since they would be for off roading you wouldn’t need the crash testing or license work. That way the off road crowd could have very basics with the vintage feel. Not something I’d do though the old Porsche kit car remakes are very cool.

 

[Logan]

FWIW, I get the sentiment. At least some of it.

To be honest, any new vehicle like this is just not going to happen, at least not as a product by any mainstream auto manufacturer. The emissions, and performance benefits are just too huge to ignore.

Having dealt with carbs on small engines, and various dirt bikes, and even rebuilt a holley carburetor for a buddies 1973 CJ5 (when that vehicle was already well over 30 years old). I can appreciate the simplicity of a carburetor.

But, uh, fuel injection is way, way better. Not having to deal with rejetting when the weather changes, or with a vehicle that is running poorly just because you're at altitude, and not having to feather the gas pedal/choke while struggling to start (or un-flooding the carb). All of those things are well worth the cost of admission.

The last carbureted vehicle sold in the US, was over 30 years ago in 1994 (an Izuzu pickup), with the last mainstream carbureted car being sold was an Olds, in 1990. I don't think we'll be seeing any carbureted vehicles offered for sale anytime soon.

Heck, even Morgan vehicles don't use carburetors anymore. And Morgans are still constructed with WOOD! And one of their vehicles doesn't even have doors. And if they don't use carburetors anymore, I don't know who else would. So I think it's safe to say that we won't see them on anything else.

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Throughout the build of a Morgan a mix of traditional skills and modern technology is used. This is best characterised as 21st Century Coachbuilding.

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[speedrye]

I’ve often thought for the off road crown someone should license molded body panels like several companies do with the old Porsches. Since they would be for off roading you wouldn’t need the crash testing or license work. That way the off road crowd could have very basics with the vintage feel. Not something I’d do though the old Porsche kit car remakes are very cool.

Are the body panels nowadays even integral to the crash-worthiness? Most everything structural on new vehicles is under the ever-thinning sheetmetal. Now the EPA would probably get you for changing the aerodynamics and thus the rated range...

 

[J Alynn]

Are the body panels nowadays even integral to the crash-worthiness? Most everything structural on new vehicles is under the ever-thinning sheetmetal. Now the EPA would probably get you for changing the aerodynamics and thus the rated range...

Good point but air bags and all the safety “stuff” could be bypassed if just meant for tow and play

 

[EV_Or_Gas]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

I am a scientist and drive an EV - and let me tell you @jay.kolkman I get you. Too much of modern cars are locked down - and the more you dig deep into it it's a mess. There are multiple ECUs talking to 100s of sensors. And except for Tesla, these are all coming from an alphabet soup of vendors - all often with their own proprietary software. A close analogy would be drivers for the sensors, with the ECUs running the operating system of the car. It's a dependency hell - and is the single biggest reason why car repair is so expensive.

But the thing is, that ship has sailed. It's impossible to develop a platform, test and validate it - when every part has to be built from scratch and you cannot depend on suppliers. At least during launch. Platform development costs are easily over a billion dollars now, and you have to amortize that over your sales. Even if you want to vertically integrate yourself - the only way is to do one thing at a time.

The only way you can get a car like you want is to pay north of 500k, and have someone like Icon4x4 build it for you, sadly.

 

[BasicTruck]

I agree for the most part. I have zero interest in large infotainment screens, driver assist, self parking, etc. I want buttons and knobs i can feel without looking for them. The market has plenty of cross overs. the Scout heritage is durable reliable workhorse. I think a high range basic vehicle that is highly customizable with aftermarket parts, like scouts were, would would do well. especially as a convertible.

 

[LastDayScout]

It was mentioned above, but a nice, lightly used, restomod Scout can be purchased for similar money to what the new scout will sell for. Of course, sky is the limit on a new build restomod. That’s your best bet for what you are asking for.

 

[CarTechGeek]

I don't know if this would be feasible, but I think the following would be extremely popular...

Scout Model A (Analog)

• 100% Analog - no computer chips
• Gas or Electric if possible
• Gas model has a modern carburetor instead of fuel injection
• Traditional Gauges
• Easily repaired without computer diagnostic equipment
• Independent from electronic supply chain issues
• Impossible to hack into electronically
• Impervious to an EM disturbances

As noted before, only a restomod/restoration will get anywhere close to this. You can't build a street legal modern car without computer chips.

The most old school, analog-ish off roader you can buy, might be an Ineos Grenadier. But event that is going to be mostly a superficial analog layers, there will still be 100+ ECU's controlling everything.

 

[BasicTruck]

FWIW, I get the sentiment. At least some of it.

To be honest, any new vehicle like this is just not going to happen, at least not as a product by any mainstream auto manufacturer. The emissions, and performance benefits are just too huge to ignore.

Having dealt with carbs on small engines, and various dirt bikes, and even rebuilt a holley carburetor for a buddies 1973 CJ5 (when that vehicle was already well over 30 years old). I can appreciate the simplicity of a carburetor.

But, uh, fuel injection is way, way better. Not having to deal with rejetting when the weather changes, or with a vehicle that is running poorly just because you're at altitude, and not having to feather the gas pedal/choke while struggling to start (or un-flooding the carb). All of those things are well worth the cost of admission.

The last carbureted vehicle sold in the US, was over 30 years ago in 1994 (an Izuzu pickup), with the last mainstream carbureted car being sold was an Olds, in 1990. I don't think we'll be seeing any carbureted vehicles offered for sale anytime soon.

Heck, even Morgan vehicles don't use carburetors anymore. And Morgans are still constructed with WOOD! And one of their vehicles doesn't even have doors. And if they don't use carburetors anymore, I don't know who else would. So I think it's safe to say that we won't see them on anything else.

21st Century Coachbuilding - Morgan Motor Company

Throughout the build of a Morgan a mix of traditional skills and modern technology is used. This is best characterised as 21st Century Coachbuilding.

morgan-motor.com

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It was mentioned above, but a nice, lightly used, restomod Scout can be purchased for similar money to what the new scout will sell for. Of course, sky is the limit on a new build restomod. That’s your best bet for what you are asking for

It was mentioned above, but a nice, lightly used, restomod Scout can be purchased for similar money to what the new scout will sell for. Of course, sky is the limit on a new build restomod. That’s your best bet for what you are asking for.

A restomod will at least cost twice as much and not have modern technology that an economy version of new scout would have. It also wouldn’t be eletric. I currently drive a 2016 SR5 4Runner and it’s essentially what I am talking about. I think people under estimating the market for economy versions of vehicles. I know a lot of people who would drive electric vehicles if they had more economy versions. I don’t need a car to park for me and I certainly don’t need a 15 inch glaring screen to distract me.

 

[J Alynn]

A restomod will at least cost twice as much and not have modern technology that an economy version of new scout would have. It also wouldn’t be eletric. I currently drive a 2016 SR5 4Runner and it’s essentially what I am talking about. I think people under estimating the market for economy versions of vehicles. I know a lot of people who would drive electric vehicles if they had more economy versions. I don’t need a car to park for me and I certainly don’t need a 15 inch glaring screen to distract me.

That’s fair but at the higher cost of electric vehicles it puts them at a premium. Then to barebones it and still be $8000 more than an equivalent Ford or domestic vehicle makes for a hard sell. Adding more bells and whistles justifies the higher price for buyers who will pay more because it is electric. It’s a tough position to be in as a truck/suv only company selling EV’s. Premium prices to start with almost force them to be priced more premium-ly. But to offer a more basic is fine though if people are willing to pay for it because they want an EV truck

 

[BasicTruck]

Agree to disagree. I think there are a lot of people out there that are just plane priced out of the EV market because they are only top tier luxury versions of what ever car that has been made electric. An F150 lightening is what 20k (?) more than the equivalent IC. regardless, i hope i either get rich or they come down in price.

 

[BasicTruck]

I would love a completely rubbered or quality plastic interior floor or a system that can snap in and cover the carpet. kids are gross and it get stuff beyond the floor matt area.