Current EV owners…are you staying BEV or switching to Harvester?

[SpaceEVDriver]

This might be splitting hairs but the poll in the link gives the option of “plug in hybrid” as a replacement of an EV and I don’t consider a EREV plug in hybrid (Harvester) to be the same as current “plug in hybrids” and there are no current offerings for a plug in hybrid truck.

We owned a Mach-e and Ioniq5, approx 120,000 miles combined in the last 3 years and were overall very satisfied with them. Our needs changed and we need a truck to do “truck stuff” 10% of the time. I almost traded the Mach-e for a Silverado EV, but opted for a gas truck instead because the shortcomings of an EV truck over a gas truck were too much to ignore for our use case. I consider EV trucks to be local only vehicles when doing “truck stuff”. Road trips in an EV in cold weather can be challenging, decreased range, increased charge times, and the greater likelihood of running into a que at DC fast chargers and those concerns are magnified when doing high demand “truck stuff”. EVs are great and vastly superior 90% of the time but it doesn’t make $ense to me to own 3 vehicles to meet 100% of my needs, even if I have to now burn fossil fuel instead of electrons to meet my local needs and believe me I HATE firing up the big V8 gas engine in a 3 ton truck to haul my 180lb butt 30 miles to work.

Enter the EREV, you get all the advantages of an electric drivetrain, you can still meet 90% of your needs electrically and now you have the ICE as a backup to meet the last 10%. So even though I am a proponent of EVs in general, I am firmly in the switching to harvester camp, at least until the truck stuff performance of EV trucks matches gas/diesel.

And not directed entirely at you but can we please stay away from the climate change debate.

I get that some people have use cases for a vehicle that isn’t electric.

I tow, haul, do “truck stuff,” and work on the ranch with the Lightning all the time. I don’t have a boat or travel trailer, but have towed my tractor to job sites out of town and haul water. The few times I’ve done 500-mile or more towing with any truck in the past 15 years are rare enough that I’m willing to spend a few more stops to charge while doing that towing. Last year, I towed a trailer 500 miles across the Arizona desert in summer from LA to NAZ. It only added one extra stop and that was only because there was a fire on the highway that caused us to stop for an hour and I really needed to pee so drove a lot faster than I should have once we got going again.

With road trips, I haven’t seen a wait time at a DCFC in ages. I’ll be doing one of our regular holiday road trips of about 2,000 miles soon. It’s usually a 2-day drive, but this time we’ll stop for a couple of days about 2/5 of the way and then continue on. We may decide to do the trip home in one day, depending on how we’re feeling. The drive includes going through the Sierra Nevadas, snow storms, etc. We’ve never had a problem with the trip in either of our EVs.

It gets wintry here, but not midwest cold. The lowest I have recorded on our local weather station is -15 F, but that was once, overnight, and is an anomaly. So while we get a lot more snow than most cities in the US, we don’t get the bitter cold. Snow is a detriment to range, but not as big of one as cold.

I do consider EREVs and plugin-hybrids to be the same family. It’s just that one finally has a reasonably-sized battery for longer drives.

If replacing an all-gas with an EREV meets your needs, it makes total sense to do it. That 30 mile drive to work will be a lot less gassy with an EREV.

 

[cyure]

I get that some people have use cases for a vehicle that isn’t electric.

I tow, haul, do “truck stuff,” and work on the ranch with the Lightning all the time. I don’t have a boat or travel trailer, but have towed my tractor to job sites out of town and haul water. The few times I’ve done 500-mile or more towing with any truck in the past 15 years are rare enough that I’m willing to spend a few more stops to charge while doing that towing. Last year, I towed a trailer 500 miles across the Arizona desert in summer from LA to NAZ. It only added one extra stop and that was only because there was a fire on the highway that caused us to stop for an hour and I really needed to pee so drove a lot faster than I should have once we got going again.

With road trips, I haven’t seen a wait time at a DCFC in ages. I’ll be doing one of our regular holiday road trips of about 2,000 miles soon. It’s usually a 2-day drive, but this time we’ll stop for a couple of days about 2/5 of the way and then continue on. We may decide to do the trip home in one day, depending on how we’re feeling. The drive includes going through the Sierra Nevadas, snow storms, etc. We’ve never had a problem with the trip in either of our EVs.

It gets wintry here, but not midwest cold. The lowest I have recorded on our local weather station is -15 F, but that was once, overnight, and is an anomaly. So while we get a lot more snow than most cities in the US, we don’t get the bitter cold. Snow is a detriment to range, but not as big of one as cold.

I do consider EREVs and plugin-hybrids to be the same family. It’s just that one finally has a reasonably-sized battery for longer drives.

If replacing an all-gas with an EREV meets your needs, it makes total sense to do it. That 30 mile drive to work will be a lot less gassy with an EREV.

Okay the cold is upon us here in Illinois. Today it’s 34 and with the wind feels like 10. I do park in my garage and when it’s cold like this I’m typically not doing long trips. It’s running errands around town as necessary. What’s this weather going to do to my range? Please and thank you!

 

[THil08]

And not directed entirely at you but can we please stay away from the climate change debate.

I won't. Nor will I correct stupidity.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Okay the cold is upon us here in Illinois. Today it’s 34 and with the wind feels like 10. I do park in my garage and when it’s cold like this I’m typically not doing long trips. It’s running errands around town as necessary. What’s this weather going to do to my range? Please and thank you!

It shouldn't be an issue for running around town. Even the 200 miles or so round trip to Chicago won’t cause you problems most days. On really bad weather days, it might feel better to charge in Chicago while doing the things you need to do there. But locally? You very likely won’t notice it. It will use more energy, but unless you’re running 350 mile errands, it’s not going to impact your ability to run those errands.

What will impact you is that 15 minutes before you have to go, you can tap the app on your phone—or tell your favorite ai spy—that you want the car to start and it’ll start up and warm the cabin so when you’re ready, you go into the garage, get in and the seat is nice and toasty, the steering wheel is warmed up, and the cabin is the perfect temperature. Can’t safely do that with a gas vehicle parked in an attached garage.

 

[cyure]

It shouldn't be an issue for running around town. Even the 200 miles or so round trip to Chicago won’t cause you problems most days. On really bad weather days, it might feel better to charge in Chicago while doing the things you need to do there. But locally? You very likely won’t notice it. It will use more energy, but unless you’re running 350 mile errands, it’s not going to impact your ability to run those errands.

What will impact you is that 15 minutes before you have to go, you can tap the app on your phone—or tell your favorite ai spy—that you want the car to start and it’ll start up and warm the cabin so when you’re ready, you go into the garage, get in and the seat is nice and toasty, the steering wheel is warmed up, and the cabin is the perfect temperature. Can’t safely do that with a gas vehicle parked in an attached garage.

Thanks!

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

It's unfortunate that you to choose to misunderstand the science. You could learn a lot by engaging with real scientists.

The science that enables your phone/computer to work and your F-150 to work (chemistry and physics) is the exact same science that enables us to understand how burning fossil fuels, clear-cutting forests, baking limestone to create portland cement, etc., etc., etc is absolutely causing the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases to increase. And that, in turn, is causing the Earth’s average temperature to increase and the Earth's climate to become wildly oscillating and of whack much more quickly than natural systems have evolved to respond. It’s all the same science. To choose to remain ignorant of that science is a sad choice to make.

Amen Space. He is on the orange coolaid

 

[theonetruestripes]

Current EV owners, are you planning to buy the BEV or the Harvester?

I’m leaning towards the Harvester. My current BEV is a Rivian R1S, and on most trips it is pretty awesome. Even when I drive well past its range it is easy to find chargers and while it doesn’t charge as fast as some EVs it is pretty respectable. So why add a gas engine to the mix? Well when I drive past my range while towing a bulky trailer the story gets less fun. I basically have to stop and charge way too frequently and a lot of the time to get to another good charge spot I have to charge to 80% or more which isn’t a super fast charge.

So I’m interested in something like the Harvester for long road trips involving hauling my travel trailer around. At least depending on how well it handles that use case, and what I give up for it, and what it costs. None of which is known at this point, so I’m just going to have to wait and find out.

 

[cyure]

I’m leaning towards the Harvester. My current BEV is a Rivian R1S, and on most trips it is pretty awesome. Even when I drive well past its range it is easy to find chargers and while it doesn’t charge as fast as some EVs it is pretty respectable. So why add a gas engine to the mix? Well when I drive past my range while towing a bulky trailer the story gets less fun. I basically have to stop and charge way too frequently and a lot of the time to get to another good charge spot I have to charge to 80% or more which isn’t a super fast charge.

So I’m interested in something like the Harvester for long road trips involving hauling my travel trailer around. At least depending on how well it handles that use case, and what I give up for it, and what it costs. None of which is known at this point, so I’m just going to have to wait and find out.

Welcome to the community. My motto is faith and patience. Welcome to the club.

 

[theonetruestripes]

My motto is faith and patience.

I’m not real good at patience. I mean I put a deposit on my Scout yesterday, why don’t I have a VIN yet!!!

Ok, maybe I’m not quite that bad...

 

[cyure]

I’m not real good at patience. I mean I put a deposit on my Scout yesterday, why don’t I have a VIN yet!!!

Ok, maybe I’m not quite that bad...

Oh I put mine in within the first hour on reveal day. And there’s members on here who have been here for 2 or 3 years already. So settle in and enjoy the ride!

 

[THil08]

Okay the cold is upon us here in Illinois. Today it’s 34 and with the wind feels like 10.

Gosh dang it! The climate change!

 

[J Alynn]

I’m leaning towards the Harvester. My current BEV is a Rivian R1S, and on most trips it is pretty awesome. Even when I drive well past its range it is easy to find chargers and while it doesn’t charge as fast as some EVs it is pretty respectable. So why add a gas engine to the mix? Well when I drive past my range while towing a bulky trailer the story gets less fun. I basically have to stop and charge way too frequently and a lot of the time to get to another good charge spot I have to charge to 80% or more which isn’t a super fast charge.

So I’m interested in something like the Harvester for long road trips involving hauling my travel trailer around. At least depending on how well it handles that use case, and what I give up for it, and what it costs. None of which is known at this point, so I’m just going to have to wait and find out.

Welcome to the SM forum!

 

[J Alynn]

Oh I put mine in within the first hour on reveal day. And there’s members on here who have been here for 2 or 3 years already. So settle in and enjoy the ride!

AMEN!

 

[THil08]

I’m leaning towards the Harvester. My current BEV is a Rivian R1S, and on most trips it is pretty awesome. Even when I drive well past its range it is easy to find chargers and while it doesn’t charge as fast as some EVs it is pretty respectable. So why add a gas engine to the mix? Well when I drive past my range while towing a bulky trailer the story gets less fun. I basically have to stop and charge way too frequently and a lot of the time to get to another good charge spot I have to charge to 80% or more which isn’t a super fast charge.

So I’m interested in something like the Harvester for long road trips involving hauling my travel trailer around. At least depending on how well it handles that use case, and what I give up for it, and what it costs. None of which is known at this point, so I’m just going to have to wait and find out.

Welcome Home!

P.S. its like Disney here, but with out the Disney Adults.

 

[J Alynn]

Welcome Home!

P.S. its like Disney here, but with out the Disney Adults.

I actually get that!

 

[theonetruestripes]

Oh I put mine in within the first hour on reveal day. And there’s members on here who have been here for 2 or 3 years already. So settle in and enjoy the ride!

I know “yesterday” is really quite recent in the grand scheme of things.

 

[cyure]

I know “yesterday” is really quite recent in the grand scheme of things.

We are all just passing the time while we wait….: