Spare Tire

[merrelljohnson]

Please make the spare tire standard. Reps shared that it wouldn't be today in Cola. They even challenged the fact that other main competitors don't offer them i.e. the Bronco (inaccurate info btw). But an upcharge for a spare tire on a purpose-built off-road vehicle is an interesting choice. While I understand the Rivian doesn't offer one *edit as standard equipment *, the Scout is in a whole other category.

 

[Broverlander]

Having had a flat tire on my R1T and having to have it towed, the spare tire is a must. I'd prefer to see it included but if it's not, I'm going to have to add it on.

 

[BeerParty]

Reps shared that it wouldn't be today in Cola.

I don't know what this is, what does "in Cola" mean?

Can you provide additional details? When was this said, and in what context? Do you know which representatives said this? What specifically did they say? Were they talking about a specific model (like the Harvester) or just in general?

 

[maynard]

I don't know what this is, what does "in Cola" mean?

Can you provide additional details? When was this said, and in what context? Do you know which representatives said this? What specifically did they say? Were they talking about a specific model (like the Harvester) or just in general?

I think they meant in Carolina

 

[SrfnFly227]

I'd be really curious how many people who get the tire carrier could actually lift the tire on or off the vehicle. 35s are heavy. I'm 44 and am in pretty good shape. Getting the 35 up to the back of my Wrangler is a challenge.

 

[J Alynn]

I'd be really curious how many people who get the tire carrier could actually lift the tire on or off the vehicle. 35s are heavy. I'm 44 and am in pretty good shape. Getting the 35 up to the back of my Wrangler is a challenge.

I’ll admit I’m 53 and with the carrier unless I’m out in no man’s land, I’m keeping my AAA membership and having them do it. Call me lazy but I’ve had arthritis in my joints since I was in elementary school and the idea of getting a 33 or 35 set up out of that carrier sounds like weeks of pain

 

[R1TVT]

While I understand the Rivian doesn't offer one, the Scout is in a whole other category.

This is an inaccurate statement and you can absolutely order a spare with a Rivian (I have 20" full-sized spare with an A/T sitting in the bed of my truck right now), or simply buy one in their online gear store here for any wheel or tire configuration: https://gearshop.rivian.com/products/full-size-spare-tire

 

[cyure]

I’ll admit I’m 53 and with the carrier unless I’m out in no man’s land, I’m keeping my AAA membership and having them do it. Call me lazy but I’ve had arthritis in my joints since I was in elementary school and the idea of getting a 33 or 35 set up out of that carrier sounds like weeks of pain

I agree. AAA

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I'd be really curious how many people who get the tire carrier could actually lift the tire on or off the vehicle. 35s are heavy. I'm 44 and am in pretty good shape. Getting the 35 up to the back of my Wrangler is a challenge.

I’m in my 50s and have won a (local, not regional) powerlifting competition. I’m not a weak person.

I have trouble lifting, aligning, and installing a 35 or 37 on my trucks when doing tire rotations. It’s not just weight, it’s also all of the dexterity issues with getting that wheel to slip over those lugs.

 

[Scoutsie]

Also, what else does a person have a AAA membership for but to have your tire changed or battery charged or whatnot? It’s helpful for hotel discounts and car insurance, but it’s definitely not the reason why I have one. It’s absolutely for roadside assistance and it’s paid itself back in dividends because you can also use it when you’re a passenger in someone else’s car who is having a roadside emergency. Damn helpful. AAA is great. Nothing wrong with getting help from them in a pinch. Sometimes, the wait time sucks if you live somewhere remote or if they’re particularly swamped. Otherwise, they’re pretty great.

 

[speedrye]

I'm entirely too impatient to wait on AAA. I sliced a tire on my daily driver in the past year and my tire change at the conveniently-placed gas station was a cross between a NASCAR pit stop and the scene from A Christmas Story. Hopefully when that mental stopwatch starts, I'll get an adrenaline rush to help lift a beast of a spare should I ever need it. Thankfully the mud tires I usually run are very unlikely to get damaged on-road, and if I'm off-road, I have more equipment with me to ease a tire change.

 

[J Alynn]

Also, what else does a person have a AAA membership for but to have your tire changed or battery charged or whatnot? It’s helpful for hotel discounts and car insurance, but it’s definitely not the reason why I have one. It’s absolutely for roadside assistance and it’s paid itself back in dividends because you can also use it when you’re a passenger in someone else’s car who is having a roadside emergency. Damn helpful. AAA is great. Nothing wrong with getting help from them in a pinch. Sometimes, the wait time sucks if you live somewhere remote or if they’re particularly swamped. Otherwise, they’re pretty great.

Yep. Saved us many a time and generally over battery issues. Sure, I can change a tire if need be but can’t change a battery and sure, maybe somebody stops but not a huge fan of jumping a car off someone else’s car. But that’s me

 

[J Alynn]

I'm entirely too impatient to wait on AAA. I sliced a tire on my daily driver in the past year and my tire change at the conveniently-placed gas station was a cross between a NASCAR pit stop and the scene from A Christmas Story. Hopefully when that mental stopwatch starts, I'll get an adrenaline rush to help lift a beast of a spare should I ever need it. Thankfully the mud tires I usually run are very unlikely to get damaged on-road, and if I'm off-road, I have more equipment with me to ease a tire change.

Good point with off road tires. Should ease some types of road pain

 

[cyure]

Good point with off road tires. Should ease some types of road pain

Yep I have had 2 screws in my DuraTracs. Didn’t even go through the tread. Tire shop just pulled them out and told me I was good to go. Didn’t even need a repair.

 

[cyure]

Will there be a noticeable range different between the aero wheels and the latest wheel?

 

[R1TVT]

The answer right now is TBD based on which wheel + which tire + combined weight. The rotational mass is a factor, as is aerodynamics, as is weather, as is the tire compound itself. Then add driving style to the mix.

One good reference point is to look at Rivians estimated ranges on different wheel and tire configs and extrapolate from there:

For example:

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The answer right now is TBD based on which wheel + which tire + combined weight. The rotational mass is a factor, as is aerodynamics, as is weather, as is the tire compound itself. Then add driving style to the mix.

One good reference point is to look at Rivians estimated ranges on different wheel and tire configs and extrapolate from there:

For example:

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And not just rotational mass, but the distance of that mass from the center of the rotation. Generally, tires are heavier than wheels, so going to a larger wheel could reduce total rotational inertia which could reduce total power required to rotate that tire, if you keep the same overall diameter.

But as you see in this chart, it depends on the specific combination. It’s not just a matter of wheel diameter or tire size.

 

[speedrye]

And not just rotational mass, but the distance of that mass from the center of the rotation. Generally, tires are heavier than wheels, so going to a larger wheel could reduce total rotational inertia which could reduce total power required to rotate that tire, if you keep the same overall diameter.

But as you see in this chart, it depends on the specific combination. It’s not just a matter of wheel diameter or tire size.

Beyond the science, don't discount the less tangible benefits of a lighter wheel/tire combo. Better steering feel, quicker responses to steering/braking/acceleration input and an all-around lighter-on-its-feet feel when driving.

Dropping 10-lbs from each corner on my sports sedan made a world of difference, but even on my off-road Toyota, going to a notably-lighter 35" mud tire also had the same benefits. The suspension doesn't have to work as hard controlling extra weight. Some of the benefits are from a reduction to unsprung weight while others are from less rotational mass.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Beyond the science, don't discount the less tangible benefits of a lighter wheel/tire combo. Better steering feel, quicker responses to steering/braking/acceleration input and an all-around lighter-on-its-feet feel when driving.

Dropping 10-lbs from each corner on my sports sedan made a world of difference, but even on my off-road Toyota, going to a notably-lighter 35" mud tire also had the same benefits. The suspension doesn't have to work as hard controlling extra weight. Some of the benefits are from a reduction to unsprung weight while others are from less rotational mass.

Absolutely.

And we can bring some of that back to the science/engineering too: A heavier tire-wheel combo doesn’t just *feel* slower, it really does take more energy to get up to speed and *more energy to stop*. A larger diameter, heavier tire-wheel combo requires longer distance to stop, which isn’t just about science and engineering, but also safety.

It also means a turn at any kind of speed is more difficult to achieve and control—those big rotational masses are acting as gyroscopes, resisting the change in direction of the entire vehicle.

 

[cyure]

Absolutely.

And we can bring some of that back to the science/engineering too: A heavier tire-wheel combo doesn’t just *feel* slower, it really does take more energy to get up to speed and *more energy to stop*. A larger diameter, heavier tire-wheel combo requires longer distance to stop, which isn’t just about science and engineering, but also safety.

It also means a turn at any kind of speed is more difficult to achieve and control—those big rotational masses are acting as gyroscopes, resisting the change in direction of the entire vehicle.

But they just look so pretty.