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[R1TVT]

Right. I was trying to ask how much a replacement would cost. My apologies for not clarifying.

That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe

 

[dreamweaver]

That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe

Thanks for the informative video. Learn something new every day.

 

[cyure]

That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe

McLaren and LR. Well that makes me think it’s costs a billion dollars to repair them.

 

[dreamweaver]

McLaren and LR. Well that makes me think it’s costs a billion dollars to repair them.

 

[Chavannigans]

That is tough to answer and usually would not involve replacing an entire system. You may need to replace one air spring for example, then factor in current labor rates for the specific work required.

This may be helpful in terms of getting an overview of how the system works:

Might also explain why servicing these types of systems can be more complex, especially off-road where you may need specialized tools or parts. Its a really cool system - one that McLaren and LR have used I believe

I knew about the "Sway Bar Disconnect" they had borrowed from McLaren but wasnt sure what it looked like. Its very cool to see a breakdown on this system.

Sway Bar Disconnects make a huge difference off road, and gives you a planted ride on the highway.

Lexus has E-KDSS and it makes a huge difference in articulation as well as road manners. They use a bar that goes to both sides and disconnects to allow for more flex.

This hydraulic system is incredible and saves space and weight.

Yeah I was more curious about how much a single strut would cost to replace on a Rivian R1S or R1T.

 

[R1TVT]

McLaren and LR. Well that makes me think it’s costs a billion dollars to repair them.

Correct, this is a more expensive and complex system than any traditional shock/strut/coil-over/leaf type set-up... That is one of the trade-offs that comes with all of the cool functionality you get!

 

[Hedrock]

1999 Land Cruiser
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2011 Lexus GX460
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2004 Lexus GX470 (Current)

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Each one had air bags I could raise or lower.
Each Lexus had electronically adjustable shocks as well.

The rear lift on the GX’s cost around $1.25 in washers from Ace Hardware. No need to replace the rear shocks (but I did anyways).

Several Toyotas and Lexus vehicles still offer air springs.

Semi trucks are designed to drive 1,000,000 miles. Almost every single of them on the road has air bags. They are exposed to a lot of forces, the elements, and abuse, but aren’t dramatically larger than the ones you’ll find in the vehicles above.

There are companies out there like Air Bag Man that offers air springs that are taller than OEM. Will probably go that route when it’s time to replace my factory ones.

Steel still fatigues. Steel can corrode. Steel springs still need to be replaced after a few decades. It’s rare but steel springs can also just fail and break.

But both will likely last a long time though.

For desert running coilovers win hands down. But we have hauled ass on fire roads and offroad trails loaded with camping gear without blowing a bag and it was a lot smoother than rigs I’ve had with rear coil springs.

If you are seriously pursuing high speeds you’ll be ripping out whatever factory suspension system is in there anyways and shelling out $10,000-$50,000 in long travel suspension.

The 6112s are definitely slept on. For most people they are a great option and will do everything someone needs them to do. I had Old Man Emu and Dobinsons in the past and the Bilsteins run much smoother. They’re cheaper too which is nice. I found a set for $590 on Amazon and jumped on it! Definitely recommend them.

Very thorough. Thanks for sharing!

I’m still (maybe irrationally) leery of full air struts but this is very reassuring.