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  1. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I assure you, the frustration is very human. My username is also a pretty dead giveaway as to who I am if you look closely, but I’ll leave the detective work to you. I need to focus on your statement that "none of us know right now what it will cost to produce a Scout in 2027/2028. Not even...
  2. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I actually agree with your breakdown of the costs—but that breakdown is exactly why I’m holding Scout to a higher standard. You listed "Dealer Overhead" (sales staff, brick & mortar, floor plan interest) as a major driver of the final price. You are 100% correct. The franchise system adds...
  3. tomgillotti

    Are you OK with Scout vehicles starting under $60K?

    You guys realize I can see these posts, right? openly coordinating a "silent treatment" in a public thread isn't exactly a covert operation. It’s a tactic usually left behind in middle school lunchrooms. It is also a massive "tell." When the strategy shifts from refuting the data to "everyone...
  4. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    That is a fair point—compliance costs are definitely real, and I don't want to dismiss the impact of safety and emissions tech entirely. 20% is a solid estimate for that burden. But even when I plug that 20% into the math, I still can't get the numbers to line up with current prices. If we...
  5. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I appreciate the "feeding the trolls" comment—it's always refreshing to see someone take the high road while calling people ignorant. But since you brought up the 1950s and "math," let's actually do some. 1. The "Golden Age" Math You cited the 1950s as the economic ideal we should return to. I...
  6. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I thought I’d drop this here just to keep our blood pressure up regarding "Value" vs. "Price." I just watched a short on the Geely M9. Now, before everyone screams "China!" and "Subsidies!", just look at the raw hardware you get for $37,000 USD: • 870 Horsepower • 932 miles of range (let's...
  7. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    First, I’m not going to trade insults with you. Calling me a "troll" or a "toddler" because I cited data you dislike doesn't make the economic reality go away. Regarding the charts you posted: You are looking at the blended corporate margins, which actually proves my point about why truck...
  8. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    "Just happened to be the lowest bidder"? That is a wild reimagining of corporate history. PowerCo isn't some random third-party supplier that Scout discovered on the open market. It is a 100% wholly-owned subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group, founded in 2022 specifically to "bundle the global...
  9. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    🤔 back at ya
  10. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    You actually just walked right into the point I’ve been making. You can’t have it both ways. If, as you admit, they are using the VW parts bin for the Harvester engine, and they are leveraging the massive corporate backing for components, then the "clean slate startup" defense for high pricing...
  11. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    That is a fair distinction regarding the governance structure, and I agree that Scout is designed to have cultural independence to avoid the bureaucracy that plagues legacy auto. However, we need to be careful not to conflate "Operational Independence" with "Supply Chain Isolation." While Scout...
  12. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    You picked the absolute worst example to make your point. The Lamborghini Urus—their best-selling vehicle—literally shares the MLB Evo platform with the Volkswagen Touareg, Audi Q7, and Porsche Cayenne. They use the same chassis architecture, the same suspension hardpoints, and variations of the...
  13. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I have to laugh at the NADA accusation. I have been railing against dealer markups and the "middleman tax" the entire time in this thread. Accusing me of working for the dealer lobby is like accusing a vegan of working for a steakhouse. If I worked for NADA, I’d be arguing for franchise laws to...
  14. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    You nailed a huge part of the problem. bonus depreciation absolutely distort the market by incentivizing business owners to buy the most expensive "heavy" vehicle they can find to lower their tax bill. It turns the truck from a tool into a financial instrument. But that actually reinforces my...
  15. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I think we need to distinguish between name-calling and describing a viewpoint. When I used the word "defeatist," I wasn't attacking anyone's character; I was referring to the specific willingness to shrug and accept that "this is just how things are now." That isn't an insult; it’s an...
  16. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    Thanks, Speedrye. You just visualized exactly what I’ve been trying to explain for days. That Red Line (F-150) is the "Gentrification of Utility" in a single image. And to anticipate the counter-argument: Yes, all prices ticked up post-COVID (you can see the Purple and Green lines hook up at...
  17. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I’ll add "Fix National Economy" to the top of my checklist for tomorrow morning. But jokes aside, that graph really was the most important thing posted in this thread. It solidifies that the "market" isn't demanding $60k trucks—it is being crushed by them. We can either accept the defeatist view...
  18. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I actually have to thank you for posting that graph because it proves my central thesis better than I ever could. Look closely at that green line—purchasing power has been effectively flat since 1978. Now, if you were to overlay a trend line for "Average Pickup Truck Price" on that same chart...
  19. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    If we have a disconnect, I think it lies in the definition of "luxury." You say $60,000 isn't luxury pricing, but I think that statement perfectly illustrates how effectively the auto industry has shifted the goalposts. The median household income in the US is roughly $75,000. When a vehicle...
  20. tomgillotti

    Don't let the Scout become a status symbol; why $60k misses the point of the Revival

    I appreciate you sticking with the theme by bringing up the "time-space continuum," but I think your business physics are slightly off regarding the Rivian comparison. You are conflating the constraints of a standalone startup with the capabilities of a global giant. Rivian had to launch with a...
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